Anne's Diary

[Anne]

Hi there this is my first time on here so hello to you all.

I have just started on the low carb diet thanks to one of my lovely daughters. Nothing else has worked on me and since I am putting out tooo much insulin we thought I might give this a try.

I am 5'1" and have ballooned to 128kg and nothing seems to work for me when it comes to getting the weight off, I loose a bit then gain a lot over and over again :(

I am hoping that this works for me so that I can get out of having a weight reduction operation ( staples or stomack bypass as my Dr has suggested)

I would really like to lose between 15 and 20 kilos before October if possible

I've gone from having tea and toast for breaky to a big meal of bacon and eggs with some mushy's, I've never done this before

Anne

[Jus]

Hi Mum

Now that wasnt too hard was it :D

I too am going to bed now. speak to you tomorrow.

[raybeanberry]

Hi Anne

Welcome to the forum. You are lucky to have someone so close helping you out. I am sure this will work for you, and you won't have to worry about any operations. I have lost 36kgs all thanks to this WOL. So I know you can do it too.

Cheers
RBB :D

[Jus]

Hey mum

Here is another site for recipe's

http://www.carb-lite.au.com/

and tell dad he has to start experimenting with food or just have his eggs on toast every night.:D

[Gizmo]

Mum ???

Well Mrs Jus - welcome to the forums !! :D

Im sure you will find us all to be friendly bunch - im hoping to hear more of you on the forums as the months go by ( and the weight drops off !!! :D)

Make sure you tell Mr Jus to regieter son !! :D

Cheers,

[Anne]

thanks everyone for your support. Especially Gizmo and RBB. I may need it although I am finding this really easy to stick to.
My ultimate goal is around the 60kg mark give or take a few because I am not a big person underneith all this excess. But I am only setting myself at 15 - 20 kilo weight loss at a time so the hurdle doesn't seem as big and I give up. I hope this is a good idea anyway.

My leg is in plaster at the moment and finding it very difficult to get about so if anyone has any stationary exercises please feel free to pass them along. Any and all help is needed here.

I started today off with 2 strips of bacon, 1 egg, and 1/2 grilled tomato plus 1 tea black no milk or sugar.
For lunch I had 1 slice of ham, lettuce, cucumber, 1/2 tomato and 1 slice of cheese 1 tea.
Dinner I had lightly fried chicken breast, broccoli, zuccini, cauliflower, and cabbage dressed with white sauce made from thickened cream and cheese and 1 tea and I have had 4 glasses of water through the day.

My hubby says he can't see anyone losing weight eating like this.

[ladybird]

Welcome Anne .

I was born in 1954 as well . One of my daughters is trying Atkins as well . writing a dairy really helps to keep track of want we eat .
You will get lots of support and good ideals .

Use the tape measure as the scales may not give the true picture of want you are lossing . plus I use a pair of pants that I can not get into .

Lady bird :)

[Gizmo]

Hi Anne..

your menu sounds great.

I remember when i first started thinking the same thing your hubby did. "How can you possibly lose weight eating bacon, eggs, all that meat, etc.."

Once the kgs melt off, Mr Jus will have to take back what he has said !! :D

Any way you tackle it is the right way - whatever keeps you motivated is the way forward. If small hurdles is the preferred method, then great.

Good luck with it all, and i look forward to hearing your results as the weeks go on...

[sambalam]

hi anne,

welcome to the forum, as matt says we're all very friendly and you'll get a lot of support here, although you have family support too, which makes it so much easier! mr jus will certainly be eating his words soon (ba boom) when he sees you shrinking before him!!

i know that your leg is in plaster, which may hinder trips to the bathroom ;) but do try to drink more water...it seems like a big ask for a while but your body gets used to it, you feel better for it and that's probably the best exercise tip i can give you, the trips to the loo! how long are you in plaster for? you might have to wait until you are more mobile then go for short walks then build up. it's not recommended to do any high intensity exercise when low carbing.

your menu looks delish, good luck with it and keep posting, it's so exciting seeing other people's success!

[pistachio]

Hello and welcome Jus's mum!! As I am sure you can see everyone here is a very friendly bunch, with plenty of good advice. I only starting low carbing 3 weeks ago but so far I am feeling great and losing cm's! As ladybird said, it is a great idea go by the tape measure and not just the scales - my scales have only moved a little whereas I have noticed cm's coming off everywhere.

Your menu does sound great, stick at it and the results will follow VERY SOON:D And drinking water is the key I think .......

[Anne]

Thanks everyone for your support.

Well Jus does do her best to keep me on track even though she is way out in the red centre.

Have stuck to the diet today and have been drinking more water but its not easy having to get down 8 steps to go to the loo and bathroom, especially when in a hurry.

I will measure myself tonight and keep a check on my weight loss that way.

Here's keeping the fingers crossed that it will work on me.

[Sherrie]

Welcome Anne!

I reckon you will do well, good luck!

Here's to you proving the hubby wrong! :D

[Gizmo]

Originally posted by Sherrie
Welcome Anne!

I reckon you will do well, good luck!

Here's to you proving the hubby wrong! :D


..as long as you dont do it too often !! :D

(Hey - someone's gotta stick up for the males around here !!)

[sambalam]

you guys get to lose weight quicker than us girls, so you don't need sticking up for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[Gizmo]

oi !!! Its not like its a party for me over here, or im coasting through losing weight at a great speed of knots !!! ;)

I suffer as much as any females in regards to food - im a full-blooded carb addict...although im doing my best...

Males - UNITE !!

"Hi...Im Matt....and im a carboholic !!" :D

[sambalam]

stir stir stir

hee hee hee.

sorry matt, i know you suffer just as much as we women, in some ways more so, because you don't have PMT to blame your grouchy moods on. :eek:

i am KIDDING (and running to hide!!)

[Gizmo]

Actually i suffer from PMT related symptoms once a month like the rest of you...

I am married, after all !! :D

(now its my turn to run and hide..)

[sambalam]

hey!

robert heinlein said:

once a month, women start acting like men do all the time.

now ain't that the truth.

sorry anne, we have hijacked your diary. matt, i'll stick to insulting you in your diary!!!! have you read it yet? i just got on my high horse.

[Gizmo]

Yep - and ill just chuck an entry in your diary for good measure !! :D

Sorry Anne - good luck with the dieting. HEY - as we said, we are a friendly bunch !! :D

[Sherrie]

*whispers quitely* "Sam I think we need to speak to someones wife, I sense a man that needs to be put in his place!" :D

Just kidding ofcourse! ;)

[Gizmo]

..You do realise Sherrie that gizmo can turn into a gremlin !! :D

[sambalam]

*whispers* sherrie he's getting all spikey!! :D

[Anne]

Hi everyone thanks for your encouragement and I do understand Matt I have a son who is trying very hard to loose weight as well and he was 150kg at his highest I think he is around 130 now

but yes girls I do believe it is much harder for women to loose weight then men. My hubby can drop it very quick.

I can't be too hard on him he brought me home a new beaut George Foreman grill Health grill today and I didn't even ask for it, that was nice of him

Well today I had 3 bacon rashers and 1 egg with 2 cups of tea for Breaky.
Lunch I had salmon, lettuce, cucumber, and tomato with 1 cup of tea

at 3.30 I had a small glass of milk don't know why I rarely drink milk.

For Dinner I'm having broccoli, zuccini, cauliflower, cabbage and 1 pork chop and my 1 cup of tea.

So far today I have had 5 x 285ml glasses of water

I don't know what the carb count is on all that but I do know I shouldn't have had the milk

Hey you folk do realise that men go through menopause too so maybe they do suffer PMT symptons ha ha

from Anne

[Sherrie]

Tell me what you think of the grill when you use it.

I have a health grill but a different brand, Sunbeam.
Anyway I only used it once, it takes forever to cook meat, I hate it!.

[Anne]

Hi Sherrie

Well I used it tonight and it cooked great. it took me 9 min to cook the pork chops. I like pork to be cooked well. It drains better than the other brands as well.

I did have a smart grill before, it cooked well enough but only lasted 12 mths

Anne

[Anne]

well Jus has made me post my stats as I measured myself this morning. Don't be too shocked. I can't remeber the last time I measured any part of my body. Well here goes

Wrist - 17cm
Forearm – 31cm
Waist - 124cm was 62 when i got married
Thigh - 72cm
Hips - 165cm Whoooh there
Under bust - 109cm
Bust - 125cm

[Gizmo]

Hi Anne...

Its good to have the measurements up as it gives a good reference point for when the punds start to fall off...

So far it sounds you are doing great !! Keep it up..

[sambalam]

hi anne, as matt says, it's great to be able to have the first measurements there as a reference point, because you will be AMAZED when you see cms melting away. it's such a inspiring feeling, and helps when the scale doesn't want to play :(

you are doing well, you picked yourself up on the milk! don't forget that your tea counts as 2.5g of carbs each cup. that's just the tea.

how sweet of your hubbie, it's great that he is helping you. i'd love one of those grills, our oven griller is broken, if you light it you set fire to most of your hair. not really useful. keep up the good work anne!!

[pistachio]

Hi Anne,

I know the feeling when doing the measuring, but you'll be very happy when you can actually see the cm's coming off. I personally have not noticed much on the scales but have lost around 6 cm's from waist and 2 from thighs - if I hadn't measured I would have become a bit disolusioned with my progress.

It looks like you are doing great

[Jus]

GO MUM!!!!

I told you no one would care :D :D :D :D
just remember daughter knows best ALWAYS!

and remember what sam said about the tea. I couldnt remember how many carbs were in it as I dont drink it.

speak to you later

[Anne]

ahh hummm I thought all good little girls with excellant jobs were supposed to be working.

Yes Jus the hardest part was actually putting it in the diary.

I can't get over 1 cup of tea having 2.5g of carbs What am I supposed to drink beside water.

The milk I had yesterday actually gave me a head ache, so serves me right

I don't get my cast off until the 29th July. I have to keep it elevated most of the time as the physio put it on too tight around the foot.

Well if the cm fall off me as they have you guy's and girls than I will be happy.

see u all later

[sambalam]

hee hee hee jus you got dobbed on!!!!

anne, if you count your teas posted it comes to 10 carbs, half your allowance if you are doing induction! here's a tip: i started having really weak tea, reusing the tea bag and using cream and splenda. i also love herbal teas, although they have 2.5g carbs too, but i did the same thing, basically dipped the bags in and out and reused them.

really, water is it and it is very important too. when your body goes into ketosis, it starts to get rid of water at a rapid rate, so you need to replace it, and then some! i get thirsty if i don'thave at least 2 litres a day. i'm usually around 3+. you can't really spend too much time up and down to the loo, so try putting some lemon or lime in the water to slow its progress through your body. once your cast is off there'll be no stopping you!

[Gizmo]

I agree with Sam...

Dont forget "its all water under the bridge"
"blood is thicker than water"


And all that crud...

[Jus]

mum it wasnt me it was my brother (batting baby blue eyes and looking as innocent as ever) Man I am 3000 klm away and can still get in trouble. How come you didnt get mad at the others. You hate me.:D what other stuff did we used to come out with as children to avoid trouble....it was so long ago since I was in trouble I cant remember;)

which reminds me....how come you were on the net in the middle of the day then????? you too are becoming addicted to the site!

[Gizmo]

uh-oh...domestic..

Count me out !! :Db;) b:(

[Jus]

Nope no domestic...promise. I think its great that she is getting into this. It will be good for her both health and mind wise.

[ladybird]

Hi Anne ,

I drink water , decafe coffee , very weak black tea and diet tonic water with a slice of lemon . ( signature Range ) is the only tonic I like . You can get it from Action , But it must be really cold .

Lady bird :)

[Anne]

hey there! My mind isn't backward yet you know, but I get your drift pet.
Well I sat down and worked out my food count today
I consumed 23.9 carbs and 94.6 Carbohydrates
I had to much tomato and egg today
hubby wanted steak and eggs for dinner and I added tomatoe to it
I will have to make up for it tomorrow
By the way my cup of tea is black no sugar no milk and that only has .5 carbs in it per cup

[Anne]

Hi lady bird is there anywhere else you can get the tonic from we don't have an action here

[sambalam]

oh anne, another thing i really like, is mineral water with a splash of lemon and lime.

[ladybird]

Hi Anne ,

I don't know , as I can only get it at Action down here at Tweed Heads . Just ask they might be able to get it for you .

Lady bird

[Anne]

Thanks Ladybird
I'll ask around the shops here and see if they can get me some.
Well I haven't weighed myself yet and I won't until the 29th. I am going to measure myself again on Wednesday although I have noticed my wrists and fingers are getting thinner.
I broke my diet yesterday only because I had to go to tamworth and back or the day.
I took some food with me and even took my lemon tea. but my grandson made me have my salad on a bun just like him and I couldn't refuse him. Then we were so late coming home that hubby ordered in Chicken and chips for dinner "that I paid for" I was so sick today it wasn't funny. I had the closest thing to Bali belly that I have ever had I think.
Well I stuck to it today where I could to sick to eat much of anything, but have drank gallons of water.

[Gizmo]

Hi Anne...

Great to hear that you only gave in once and got right back into it...shows good willpower and determination...

Have you got yourself and Ketosis sticks to see if you are still in Ketosis ?? They are another god form of motivation when they turn purple...when they dont, well....

you can get them from any chemist - usually called "Keto-stix" or something similar..

[Anne]

Hi Matt

thanks for the encouragement. yes I am finding it really easy to stay on this diet. I never feel hungry and as yet haven't really had any cravings except for that glass of milk.

I have the keto stix. I am having a little bother. I am always almost off the negative end. Is that good or bad.

Anne

[Gizmo]

As long as you are measuring some ketosis (no matter how much or little) then that is good..

Too many things affect the reading to worry about whether you should be excreting high amounts of ketones or low..

If you are in Ketosis - congrats !!! Doesnt matter how much..

If you arent - could be some hidden carbs or sugars in your diet...

[Sherrie]

Some people have trouble getting readings no matter how good they are. If you are one of them, then go by how your body feels and the weightloss.
Are you steadily losing weight?, if so keep doing what your doing.

[Anne]

thanks Matt
I won't worry so much about that then. I have no sugars in my diet and the only carbs I get is from the vegies and I only eat the ones that are very low in carbs so I should be right then.

[Gizmo]

you'll be fine Anne..

Dont worry as much about the food. You know what you can and cant eat, let the rest take care of itself.

You are doing great for first time - keep it up !! Dont look back, and dont hold a calculator when you eat !! :D

[Jus]

Hello Boof???

Why arent you writing??? I know your doing good so what is the go??? Will call you tonight.

[Anne]

Hello midget widget
well i am writing in my diary again so stop pestering me. Daughters!!!

Sorry i haven't been on lately but have been very busy writing out wedding invitations, all by hand for my son and have only just finished them.
NOW! I have only 8 weeks left to get rid of some weight fast so that I can look some way towards decent for the wedding, instead of a big blob.
I still haven't weighed myself but my clothes seem a lilltle looser. But for some reason all my skin is starting to go dry and I am looking a little wrinkled . Does this mean I am not drinking enough water.
I have had a couple of slips where I didn't cook dinner but have stuck to the diet pretty well I think so far but I do wish it would start to show it soon.

I have finally got the cast off. However I have to keep using the crutches until the end of Aug when I see the specialist again and in the mean time I have to stay off the leg as much as possible.

Anne

[Anne]

well I've decided that I will write in my diary everything I eat each day so that if I slip up someone will hopefully pull me back into line.
I really need to get rid of some of this excess before the 4 october.

today for breakyI had
1 egg omolette and 1 cupo of tea
mid morning
1 cup of coffee
lunch
half a cup of lettuce
1/4 cup grated cheese
1/2 tomato
4 sticks asparagras
1 sm tin salmon
1 tea
mid afternoon
1 cup of tea
1 small slice of cake
dinner
sm serve of cauliflower
sm serve broccoli
1 sm zuccini
1 grilled chicken breast
1 cup of coffee

11.00pm 1 large glass of water

Now I know the cake was a NO NOOOO but I have had a headache for 5 days and after having the cake it has gone.
maybe a lack of sugar?? any ideas because I don;t want to resort to cake to get rid of headaches.

Do you think my diet today was ok (not mentioning the cake)

I still haven't weighed myself but my clothes do seam a little looser. I would still like to see it move a bit faster though.
Do you think that I am eating too much.
I know I still am not drinking enough water I will have to remedy that.

The reading on the keto stix still haven't moved they are at 0.5

[Gizmo]

Hey Anne..

looks OK to me - you definetely need some more water though...

Are you having the flaxseed oil ??

Naughty on the cake !! :D If the headache stopped, it couldve been sugar/carb cravings...these usually go after a few days.

Try and take some panadol or nurofen next time instead of the cake... :rolleyes: ;) :o :cool:

[Moonie]

Yes you definetely need more water, lots of it. 8 big glasses would be the minumum. I would think you are badly dehydrated and that can contribute to your headache.
The reason water is more important on this way of eating is that the diet is naturally diuretic, so you must replace that water and some...

If you aren't taking flax seed oil go out and get some, this is ideal for skin and hair as well as helping with wieght loss.

Everything else looks ok (except for the cake), order in some POH muffin mix so you can have that with you cuppa...

Hang in there I am sure you will great by Oct 4th;)

[Anne]

Hi there

Well I did try panamax but it didn't do anything for the headache.

thanks Gizmo and Moonstruck

I agree with you I do need lots of water more than I have been having as my skin is looking a bit wrinkled. Never had that before.

No I haven't got the Flax Seed Oil yet but I do intend to get some. If it tastes so bad and the goodness of it goes if heated how do you have the stuff?

Now I have a question about Durathon. I am on Avapro and Aldactone for my High Blood pressure and my Doctor won't let me have anything to kick start the metabolism. Do you know or think that Duraton would hurt if I used it?

This morning I have had 2 egg omolette and 1 coffee for breaky and I have had 1 large glass of water.

[Anne]

I meant Durathon not duraton

[Sherrie]

Durathon is not a stimulant so I'd assume it would be okay but I would check to be sure.

They have a web site, should be:

www.durathon.net
or
www.durathon.net.au

[Anne]

Thanks Sherrie.

I will go in and look. I just think I may need something to kick it along a bit.

[Anne]

OK Sherrrie this is what I found obn the Web site. Doesn't sound like it could be harmfull and it just may help me out a bit so I think I may give it a try.

I have posted the below information incase anyone else is interested.

DURATHON is a safe and effective catalyst for Weight Loss."

DURATHON consists of the Chinese herb, ciwujia, grown at high altitude in the Asia Pacific region. Studies have indicated that ciwujia increases fat utilization by the body during activity.

So while you exercise, DURATHON shifts your fuel source from carbohydrate metabolism to fat metabolism. Using DURATHON with a sound diet and exercise plan will assist in burning unwanted stores of body fat.

DURATHON is different from most weight loss or fat metabolizing supplements as it is drug free and does not contain any stimulant or thermogenic agent
Supplements containing stimulants or thermogenic compounds such as ephedrine can also increase blood pressure, anxiety and increase the risk of heart attack and stroke.

DURATHON is not a stimulant meaning the same dose will continue to be effective every day. You do not need to 'cycle' or cease taking DURATHON.

Designed by Australia's foremost authority on drug testing and sports, DURATHON is the answer to safe and effective Weight Management.

DURATHON's UNIQUE WEIGHT LOSS PROPERTIES:
Increase the amount of fat burnt during activity. Fat Utilization rate of 3% can increase to 46%.
Reduce lactic acid build up by as much as 33%
Increase anaerobic threshold by up to 12%.
Increase total energy and extend the duration of mental concentration

[Jill]

Hi Anne

Another remedy for headaches is migrastick. You can get it from the chemist and it is a natural remedy. You just dab it on your forehead and temples. It really does work. Even doubting husband is a convert.

Jill

[pistachio]

Just a note on the Durathon- I tried to buy some and the health food store said they were part of that big vitamin recall. They told me they would not have any for 8 weeks (that was about 3 weeks ago). But I am in Adelaide, other states may have more luck.

[Anne]

Hi Pistachio and Jill

Thanks for the info on the megastick. I haven't heard of them before.
The Durathon according to the Web site is only available in WA. I ordered them over the web and will have them in a couple of days.
I think the headache may have been the beginnings of the flu even though I had the needle. I am very tight in the chest tonight and stuffy in the head

[Sherrie]

Chew on lots of Vit C

I felt one coming on the other morning and so I did what it said on the Vit C container for flu's and chewed on 1 gram every hour for 6 hours then had another gram 3 times a day the next day and it was gone.

[Anne]

Hi everyone I'm back today
Thanks Sherrie I'll get some V C tomorrow as I think the ones I have are a bit old.
Felt absolutely rotten today. Have got it bad, so much for flu needles ha.

I have stuck to the PoH diet. I had broccoli, cauliflower zuccini and grilled chicken ( couldn't eat it all) with mushroom sauce for dinner last night

Breaky today 2 strips of bacon 1 poached egg and 1 coffee

Lunch
rest of my chicken breast from last night and 1 tea
and so far today I have had 1 1/2 ltrs water

[Anne]

Hi everyone
Well missed posting in my diary yesterday as spent most of it in bed my legs kept going on me. This bug is really nasty.

Yesterday I had 2 scrambled eggs for breaky 1 cup of coffee

Lunch I had little bit of lettuce 2 slice tomato, 1/2 slice cheese and 1 slice of silverside 1 cup of tea

Dinner was stir fry vegies and grilled chicken 1 tea

had 2 ltres if water

Breaky today 3 rashers bacon gave 1 to my youngest so only had 2 rashers of bacon 1 cup of coffee

still not well so only could ate a little bit of silverside for lunch 1/2 slice and 1 cup of tea
Have had 1 litre of water so far

measured myself again today my stats are now
Wrist - 16cm, thats down 1cm
Forearm – 29cm, down 2cm
Waist - 120cm down 4cm
Hips - 162cm down 3cm
Under bust - 105cm down 4cm
Bust - 125cm still the same

these measurments sound promising. I guess it is time I hit the scales to see what is going on there

[Anne]

As i have to keep off this darn ankle of mine I went out and got a Pilates Video for the Abs but it will be a long time before I will be able to follow those exercises. So my daughter gave me another one called Pilates conditioning for weight loss yesterday. I had a look at it last night and just maybe I will be able to do these ones. They look fairly easy but looking and doing are 2 different things. But I am willing to give anything a go at this stage as that 4th October is looming in pretty darn fast
Wish me luck and keep all your fingers and toes crossed for me

[ladybird]

Wow all those cms lost :) Well done .

Lady bird :) :)

[Gizmo]

Geez Anne - you are doing great...

Seems like your avatar is fitting of how you LC !! :D

Maybe i should add some horns and a pitchfork to by gremlin...

Keep at it - and congrats on the progress so far...

[Sherrie]

Wow thats alot of cm, when do you weigh next?

Hope you feel better soon, oh and....

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANNE!!!

[sambalam]

happy birthday to you anne! hope you have a great day

p.s. you are doing great too with the low carbing!!

[Gizmo]

(damn - i keep forgetting to check the forum calender..)

Happy birthday Anne...

:D

[Moonie]

"Happy Birthday Anne"
"Have a lovely day"

[Anne]

Thanks guy's
I am having a lovely solitary day today. The 2 kids are at school and hubby is at work and I am sitting here freezing.
You would never guess what my youngest gave me for my B'Day, love her.

CHOCOLATES and CHOCOLATES

and no I am not eating them. No I tell a Lie I had one and put the rest up for when the kids come home from school.

Yes I was pleasantly shocked as I was really getting worried.
I have already bought my new outfit for Mal's wedding and I have to fit into it.

What is this "avatar" Gizmo.
Horn's and pitchfork ARGHHH !!!
I do prefer your cuter pic by the way.

I have to buy another set of scales Sherrie before I can weigh myself as threw the old ones out as they were not weighing properly, or not the same as my Dr's anyway. and I reacon by the time I pay him another $60.00 a visit I could have a new set of scales

[Anne]

Hey Matt if your getting sick of your little Gizmo and you really want a little devil horns and all here is one for you.

[Anne]

Well that didn't work did it .

For some reason he doesn't want to be downloaded and his size isn't too big either.

Keep your mind above the belt there won't you.

[Anne]

Hey it did work.

What do you think of the horny little devil?

I have a question.
Whenever I only eat bacon that's by itself and nothing else I get a cramp in the tummy and have to make a very quick trip to the loo not long afterwards. Any reasons that you may know of for this.

Jus should be winging it back into Alice by now

Anne

[Sherrie]

LOL that avatar is so fitting for Gizmo :)

[sambalam]

it sure is, anne, good one.

funny about the bacon, if it were me i'd suspect that there was something in it that i was reacting too, like nitrate or something. is it the same kind/brand each time? and you don't get it if you eat it with something else?

looking forward to hearing how jus's holiday went:D

[Sherrie]

You might be on the money there Sam!

[Anne]

Hi Sam glad you could join in.

The bacon is just fresh bacon rashers you buy from the butchers
I can either grill or fry it and it has the same effect but if I have an egg or half a grilled tomato with it it doesn't effect me.
No it only effects me with the bacon. Could I be eating too much of it.
Oh Sht its raining gotta go

yes when Gizmo was talking about horns and pitchforks it sort of popped up on my screen so I thought I'd post it to show him.

[sambalam]

hmmm..interesting. i haven't ever seen nitrate/chemical free/organic bacon, but i bet it's expensive!! might be worth trying to find it, or just don't eat it on it's own! but you might prefer to find out what causes it.

personally, i suspect everything when i am not feeling well, there are soooo many chemicals in our food and personal products that are not necessary and are harmful, it's quite scary.

[Anne]

Ok I'm back I've saved my washing touch wood.

Now another thing i've asked and no one has answered yet.
Why am I starting to look like a shriveled up prune. I've never had a wrinkle in my life just ask Jus. and now all my skin looks wrinkly Why?

[Sherrie]

Anne I feel like I suddenly aged too with the wrinkles around the eyes. I just think it's because theres not as much fat and water filling up the wrinkles.

[Anne]

Yes Sam all these chemicals that are around now are scarey.
We have been buying our drinking water for years now as the town water is so crapy. We can always tell when it is bad as the council put that much chlorine etc in it that you can smell and taste it in your tea. There is no way you can drink it.

As for the nitrate/chemical free/organic bacon. never heard of it but the bacon I have been getting fluctuates between $7.98 and $13.78I usually end up paying the dearer for it. But it doesn't matter it all has the same effect on me.

[Anne]

OK Sherrie then I guess it means I'm not drinking enough water yet. God my bladder has never been so full before

[Moonie]

You would never guess what my youngest gave me for my B'Day, love her.
I always get chocolates from someone for my birthday, I either eat them all at once to get them out the way, and make myself sick, or I won't open them until the grand kids are here...HaHa!! just as well I only have a birthday once a year...;)

[Anne]

Hi Moonstruck

Well I geuss us nannas are the same as I left mine until they came home from school then they cleaned them up for me i got off lightly by only having 3 squares of the block and out of the box I had 1 peppermint cream then the kids ate the rest so they made good vacuum cleaners

[Anne]

The best B'Day present I got was my 4 yr old grandson ringing me and singing Happy B'Day to me for 5 minutes. It made my day I think.

[kegs]

Originally posted by sambalam


looking forward to hearing how jus's holiday went:D

Just something to add, she substituted a cream bun for 3 pairs of shoes, she deserves a pat on the back!!!!!!


If only she'd bought another pair of jeans, she might not have had that chocolate milkshake.........;)

[Anne]

didn't she tell you that she bought a pair of Levi's as well.

Yes I told her she could have substituted 1 pair of those shoes for a size 8 for me but she wouldn't have it

Anne

[Anne]

Chocolate milkshake and she goes crook on me if I stray

[Anne]

Well today for breaky 3 bacon rashers and 1/2 tomato, 1 cup of coffee

mid morning heaps of water

Lunch was not feeling the best and forgot to eat

Mid afternoon 1 cup of tea
1 very tiny piece of apple pie ( that way I don't feel as if I'm am missing out it was only about a desset spoon size)

More water

Dinner - broccoli cauliflower, tomato cheese and 1 small pork chop
1 cup of tea

supper 1 cup of coffee

[kegs]

Hahaha, Yep, I was with her when she bought them!!!! (and flirted with the sales guy!!!). I meant maybe she should have bought another pair of jeans instead of having a milkshake!!! Just to match the other 2 pairs of shoes - LOL:D

[Sherrie]

Oooh clothes shopping....

[Jus]

measured myself again today my stats are now

[Jus]

oops sorry hit wrong button.... I think I am out of practise :D

anyway mum congrat's on your measurements. I did finally log on to see them and you will be in that dress before you know it.

You are doing great. However just to clarify....I can be naughty you cant. therefore I can have chocolate milkshake every now and then ESPECIALLY when I am on holidays however you and cake...apple pie or whatever is a no no. hmmm. cant leave you alone for a week can I.

KEGS - I was NOT flirting with the sales guy... actually which one???? :D kidding I was not flirting with either of them they were just in a good mood I think and gave me an extra helping hand...well they are only human :D

And no mum you have never had a wrinkle before however you are a little on the other side of the hill now so maybe you should drink a little more water.....:D :D :D :D :D :D :D *running away hiding now from wrath of mother*

Seriously you are doing great.

[sambalam]

ah ha the traveller has returned!! look out everyone!

[Anne]

Yes daughter of mine does like to shop for shoes and clothes.
Don't believe her when she says she doesn't flirt. Anything in pants hmmmmmmmm!!!! No not really just sometimes.
I forgot to eat my lunch again todayuntil 1.40pm. I am not used to being home on my own. No hubby coming in at 12pm sharp demanding his lunch. Horrors!

Breaky today was 1 cup sliced fried Mushy's, 1 small fried tomato and 2 fried eggs 1 coffee.

have had 1 litre water

Lunch asparagus, 1 mini tomato, 1 tablsp grated cheese and 1 small tin of red salmon forgot to have my tea will have that now.
still not 100% this is really a nasty bug

That daughter of mine really is a flirt ha Kegs.

Bye Anne

[Sherrie]

Yes I think you we're flirting Jus *tsk* *tsk*

[Jus]

Helloooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MOTHER! When have you ever seen me flirt????? Never.

As I said before I am pure and innocent and I cant understand why people find that so hard to beleive. AND as for anything in pants????!!!!!!! oh pur..lease.... give me some credit. they have to be at least over the age of 12!

[Gizmo]

wow - a girl with standards...impressive :rolleyes: :D

[Jus]

well I have more but was watching Dr Phil the other day when I was on holidays and apparently lists are a no no so decided not to give away too many details... How are you Matt???

Kegs you are in soooooooo much trouble:D

[Sherrie]

LOL

[Jus]

p.s oh and thanks for your support on this matter sherrie. glad to see the girls stick together:D

[Gizmo]

im good thanks Jus - same 'ol same 'ol...

So how old was the sales dude - 15 ?? (ish...)

Did he look more like Harry Potter or Bart Simpson ??

[Jus]

Nope I would say mid 20's for both of them...maybe a little younger. However, as I live in Alice and they are in sydney there would be NO POINT IN FLIRTING with either of them. they were just taken with my good ole country personality and the baby blues. :D ;) plus my new 'slim' shape :) :) :)

both of them were alright though...cant really remembered the details though that was how memorable the meeting were!

who knows this topic has gotten out of control and we are in my mothers diary!

I think Kegs need's to correct this before it gets me into trouble and my mum has married me off to one of them!

[Gizmo]

...you could do a lot worse than a Sydney boy...

thats what i like about this Jus - its in your Mum's diary...

The irony is delicious !! :D

[Jus]

yes I think so too. very ironic. I have already been told that I was adopted after she read my diary on here! I was wondering why I was so different to my younger brothers and sisters and all this time it was because I thought I used up all the good genes :D

[Sherrie]

You know they might be in Sydney and all but I thought that one night stands we're really popular by holiday goers?

j/k

[luv2bslim]

Anne, I hope you feel much better soon, you need your stregnth to keep up with that naughty daughter of yours :-)

(just kidding jus!)

cheers
l2bs

[Anne]

Yes everyone she has these gorgeous big light blue eys and last time I saw her she had shoulder length brown hair. Has traveled a fair bit and knows how to have a good time. Any takers???
I'm getting desperate here all the boys her age are getting married and leaving her behind.

God she's going to kill me now.

[Sherrie]

ROFL :D

[Anne]

Don't sound so positively cheeful Sherrie. Oh well she has too far to come to do me too much damage Ha!! Ha!!

:p :D

[Gizmo]

Hi Anne...

Ill spread the word for you here at work...

A bonus to the worker that takes Jus out on a date !! :D

We'll get her hitched yet !!

[Jus]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:o :eek:

Mum what are you doing to me....!

*rocking in corner in white jacket sobbing*

[Gizmo]

Here are some of the guys ive got lined up for you...

The best the IT industry has to offer is all yours, Jus !!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lanemeyer/forum/forumpics/fanboys.jpg

[Jus]

Geez...what can I say thanks matt. However, men in I.T ....I may have to pass. Give me a man with callouses (sp?) anyday.

or I could take any one of these....heck why be choosy they can take a number.:D

[Gizmo]

i think someone is...

[Sherrie]

Jus those guys look okay untill I scroll down to the cowboy boots, after that I start hearing Y.M.C.A.

Big turn off!

Gizmo the other half was showing me those geeky pics the other day. Did you see the one where he had his computer strapped to him so he never has to leave it?
I think he saved the pic for me but I could'nt be bothered turning his pc on and trying to find it, it could be anywhere knowing him.... :p

[Gizmo]

unfortunately yes, i saw it...

Im still getting over it as we speak...

[kegs]

did I tell you that one of the guys had 2 plaits?






Oooooopppssss, sorry Jus!!!!!!

[sambalam]

two plaits? as in the heidi look?

jus...oooo

[kegs]

yep, you got it......

[Jus]

Did he really? which one was that? the shoe guy? Man I thought they were dreads....see that is how much I was flirting I didnt even notice his hair!

oh well wont be frequenting that shop then soon.

[Jus]

I like the cowboy boots.... see thats the country girl coming out in me.

Alice is full of them at the moment as the rodeo is on this weekend.

[Anne]

My god you lot are something Ha Ha Ha
And I thought I was being bad.

Jus what have I reared here

and Giizmo those Fanboys are a bit Geeky can't you do better. THis is My eldest here were talking about you know

[Anne]

Blimy Jus really, plaits

well I think I had best post what I've been eating.

yesterday breaky - 2 eggs, 2 sausages 1/2 gilled tomato
1 cup tea

mid morning 1 bottle water

lunch- silverside, lettuce cheese, asparagus
2 slices tomato, 1 cup tea

afternoon - 1 cup tea

dinner - broccoli, cauliflower, zuccini, 1/2 grilled tomato
chicken breast 1 cup tea

water

today's breaky - 3 bacon rashers 2 poached eggs 1/2 tomato,
1 tea

Lunch - silverside, cheese, asparagus 1/2 tomato
1 cup tea

4.00pm - 1 cup coffee, 1 slice toast

Dinner- broccoli, cauliflower, zuccini, chicken breast
1 cup tea

8.30 - 1/2 cup bonox drink

1ltr bottle water

[Jus]

DID I SEE YOU WROTE TOAST SOMEWHERE IN YOUR MENU - and I reckon it wasnt sam's bread either....hmmmmmmm.

Jus what have I reared here

well only the most loveliest daughter that anyone could ever hope for. oh and i forgot to say beautiful, smart, witty, charismatic, caring, sweet, patient....need I go on :D

[Anne]

yes I know - toast but I actually found myself hungry for the first time on this diet and Wazza had cleaned out everything I could eat. Talk about the human garbage bin, or should I say Wheely Bin.

And yes I know you are all of those things you say daughter of mine. After all guess who's gene's you have.



only the most loveliest daughter that anyone could ever hope for. oh and i forgot to say beautiful, smart, witty, charismatic, caring, sweet, patient....need I go on

[Anne]

Well, I may have eaten somethings I shouldn't have but my stats tell me a I am losing weight and I tried on the outfit for the wedding and it fits much better now.

yesterday
Breakfast - 2 bacon rashers
2 poached eggs
1 tea

Mid morning 1 coffee

water

Lunch - lettuce, cheese 1/2 tomato , 2 slices sliverside

4.00 coffee

Dinner oops
KFC. I didn't eat the batter

coffee

water

today-
Breaky - 2 bacon rashers
2 poached eggs
1 tea

Mid morning - water

Lunch - fried deli ham, tomatoes, mushys and cheese
1 tea

Dinner - broccoli, cauliflower, frilled tomato, Grilled Chicken breast
1 tea

Water


These are my stats to date-

Date........16/07/2003............10/08/2003.............16/08/2003
Wrist........... 17 cm.....................16 cm.....................16 cm
Forearm.......31 cm.....................29 cm......................28 cm
Waist..........124 cm...................120 cm....................117 cm
Hips............165 cm...................162 cm.....................160 cm
Under Bust- 109 cm...................105 cm....................103 cm
Bust.............125 cm...................125 cm....................124cm
Thigh............72 cm ???82..........................................80c m

keto stick measured 0.05 in the pink at 3.00pm

[Anne]

I am feeling pleased with myself the measurements have given me a boost

yesterdays menu

Breakfast - 2 bacon rashers 1 egg 1/2 tomato
1 cup tea

morning water

Lunch - 1/2 fried tomato, fried ham, cheese, 1 tea

water

afternoon - 1 cup strawberries, whipped cream
lemon tea

Dinner- broccoli, cauliflower, fried mushrooms in garlic and worstershire sauce, grilled chiken breast
1 tea

todays menu
breakfast - 2 bacon rashers, 1/2 fried tomato
water

morning soda water.

Lunch- tuna, lettuce, 1 sm tomato, tablsp grated cheese
water

mis afternoon water

Dinner - broccoli, cauliflower, zuccini, grilled chicken breast
1 tea

water

[Sherrie]

Looking good Anne!

[Jus]

Hey mum you have lost a total of 25cm so far......give or take your crazy thigh measurements. that is great stuff. and you still have 7 weeks to go as of this saturday....!!!! *to the tune of ricki lake* Go Girl...Go Girl.

[Anne]

Thanks Jus and Sherrie I still need the encouragement.

yeah well!! I think that first one was supposed to be 82cm on the thighs.

No Jus not Ricki Lake, doesn't she still go up and down. I'm not going to do that.

My engagement ring fit on my little finger now and my leggings are really baggy. They feel rather funny on now.

today's menu was.

Breakfast - 2 bacon rashers, 2 eggs, water.

mid morning water, water and more water.

Lunch- salmon, lettuce, 1 sm tomato, tablspn grated cheese low fat dressing.

Water. 2.00pm water.

3.30 - 1 coffee. ( made me peckish) had tiny bit of apple tea cake.
water
Dinner- broccoli, cauliflower, zuccini, grilled tomato, chicken and mushy's, 1 tea

water I don't know if I have the ratio of everything right but it does seem to be working so far.

[Anne]

Weighed myself on Wednesday I have lost between 4 - 5 kg.
I say that because I guessed my weight at the time that I joined PoH.

yesterday Breakfast-
2 eggs 1/2 tomato and 1 cup tea

Mid Morning- water
Lunch - silverside lettuce, 1/2 tomato, cheese and 1 cup tea

Mid afternoon water,water,water

4.00pm 1 cup decaf coffee

Dinner - stuffed chicken breast rolled with bacon and baked served with cream sauce cheese and mushy's. (could only eat half of this. 1 cup of tea

Todays menu.

Breaky- 2 rashers bacon, 2 eggs 1/2 tomato and 1 cup tea.

morning water.

Lunch - 2 slices silverside, lettuce, 1/2 tomato cheese and 1 cup of tea.

Dinner - cauliflower, broccoli, zuccini and grilled chicken breast and 1 tea

water

10.00pm 1 coffee


I am hanging in there I find that I can stick to this diet reasonably well with only a couple of slips so far and it is encoraging to actually see that I am losing weight.

[Jus]

Usted hace grande. mantengalo (sp?) arriba!!!!:D

Your doing great. Keep it up.


I want a holiday!

[Gizmo]

judging from the posts - i think we need to combnine Jus's and Anne's diary, as they seem very similar !! :D

[Anne]

Hows that Matt???

[sambalam]

I want a holiday!

you just had one greedy guts, let someone else have a turn!!:p

[Jus]

yes but that was for a wedding. I want one where the dressing up in frocks is not compulsory!:D

I think its because I was whinging in mine about a holiday and went onto yours as well.

[Gizmo]

h.o.l.i.d.a.y ?? Whats that ?? :rolleyes: ;) :D

[Jus]

When was the last time you took a holiday?

[Gizmo]

actually it was September last year, but it was because my daughter had another operation......not much fun.

[Anne]

Yeh Well!!! It sounds like he needs one more than you Jus

[Jus]

my daughter had another operation......not much fun.


is she ok?

[sambalam]

last time i had a proper holiday was christmas and it was a week of camping. before that, knee reco which doesn't count.

[Anne]

I don't know what is wrong with you all. I can't remeber the last time I had a really good holiday. If you don't count when we moved Jus to Alice and that was rushed.

[Jus]

mine was malaysia in...february 2001. man had to think then. other than that it was weddings weddings and oh and flying home for christmas last year...but that doesnt count. ;)

[sambalam]

truly, the last real and proper holiday i had was in 1998-1999 europe. everything since then has been like you jus, going somewhere for a wedding, or visiting people, or camping (which is nice but not a holiday)

[Gizmo]

Originally posted by Jus
is she ok?

yea - long long story...

[Jus]

no worries....that she is ok is the main thing.

Exactly...holidaying means not having to see people if you dont want to. relaxing not stressing as you have to fid time to fit everyone in and sleeping in till lunchtime if you want....also it woudl be great if it also included duty free shopping and hearing different accents!

[sambalam]

yep that is what a holiday means to me. preferably outside of the country, although i am not adverse to travel here, i have seen most of it is all.

[Anne]

Gosh Jus that sounds like something I need to do. Get away by myself and do as I please without worrying about anyone else and really enjoy myself

[Jus]

yeah I havent been to WA though or TAS so am thinking after my sailing holiday next year and trip to england may just get in my luxury jet and flit on over to Broome for a bit befire making my way down to the margaret river. I also have so much time to do all this...NOT.

[Gizmo]

a holiday to me is not having to work, and spending time with the family...

If its at home or away is irrelevant...

[sambalam]

haven't been to tasmania either jus, it's something i can do any old weekend so it isn't a holiday.

a holiday to me is not having to work, and spending time with the family

yeh matt the hours you work would warrant that. i get to spend enough bloody time with my family, i want to go to brazil dammit!

[Jus]

Yeah Matt thats really sweet but I dont have my own family and whilst I am free and able to do stuff without having to worry about nappy bags and changing rooms and where you can heat up a milk bottle I am going abroad and loving it! I want Brazil too. and Chille and argentina china and russia and....

[Gizmo]

..priorities change as you get older Jus....trust me on that one !! :D

i used to party so hardy you wouldnt believe....now i would glady give up 5 hours interstate partying for 20 mins with my kids...

[sambalam]

well it's nice to see family values alive and kicking somewhere!

still i'd like to do what my parents did, take me and my lil sis to fiji and we all had a great holiday - parents got to party hardy, we got to see almost all of the islands in fiji thanks to our fijian friends.

[Jus]

I will look forward to that when it happens. However I am not ready for that responsibility right now as I am sure I am still 12 in a 30 year olds body...so partying it is. drive carefully home Matt

[Sherrie]

Bah you party hard every lunch!

[sambalam]

hee i know what you mean jus, i feel like i am still at that point in my life when i thought 30 was when you died (i am nearly 30). looking like a 17 year old doesn't help (i still get id'd)

[Sherrie]

Ah but the old biological clock is ticking Jus! :p

[Jus]

Yeah I forgot about that...Knob creek, mr daniels...its all coming back to me now.

[Anne]

Now Jus this quote is what I've been worrying about. You best do something about it soon

Ah but the old biological clock is ticking Jus!

[Jus]

Nope mine has been stalled. anyway peopel are having babies much later these days mum and you know the drill. Please dont make me say it again!

I know sam. They wouldnt let me into the casino on Saturday night as I didnt have id and i was the oldest out of the lot of us!

[Jus]

Sherrie you will give my mother a heart attack with all this talk of biological clocks ticking. Besides mum you already have three grand kids you can wait for me.

[Anne]

No I can't Jus. I'm getting old even if you think your not

[Jus]

Your not even 50 Yet. Jeez...at least another 30 years....especially if you keep going with the weight loss!:D

[Anne]

I don't want to wait another 30 years Jus I want to be able to enjoy them.

Here's a bit of twisted info for you. Aj went to the chiropractor with his back today and he was telling him how he has to lose weight but was having a spot of bother getting rid of it. Well he examined him and said that he had a twist in his intestine between the small and large stomache that was stopping him from digesting his food properly therefore stopping him from losing weight. He did some poking and prodding and hurt like hell then told him he would have no trouble losing the weight that he has to in no time.
Do you think if I went to see him he could do the same with me.

[sambalam]

only if you have a twisted intestine anne! wow my folks are 53 and they keep telling me they aren't ready to be grandparents yet. ;)

[Sherrie]

Uh oh looks like I opened Pandoras box! :D

How do chiropracters tell if you have a twist in your intestines?
I thought they just manipluate your bones?

[sambalam]

they can tell by the way your muscles are lying in your body, and because they need to know the muscloskeletal system ptretty well, which also determine how your organs etc sit in your body. having said that, i don't go to chiropractors anymore, i prefer physios. too many horror stories and bad experiences with chiros. but if you find a good one, you're lucky, hang onto them.

[Anne]

I wasn't ready when the first one was coming along either Sam but as soon as he appeared my views changed. I would rather be known as a young fun Nanna then an old grouchy one.

I was wondering how a chiropractor would know how to tell as well, thanks for enlightening me too Sam on that matter.

How could you tell if it was twisted unless you were examined.

I think I wuill stay away from all those pills. I did get some Durathon so will see how that goes

[sambalam]

i suspect my folks are serious though, they are very much into their own lives and are quite insular people. i think they would enjoy having them when they are older more than they would now.

i don't htink you could know, unless you ate a lot of bulky food and it blocked uo (ow). i'd day he's had some gastrointenstinal complaints that he hasn't really taken much notice of, putting it down to rich food or something like that. i did the same when i had leaky gut syndrome, i thought it was just things i ate. it was!! they were escaping into my bloodstream, not exactly what i thought!

[Anne]

Bloody Hell Sam that sounds like it ws a bit painful.

Yes he has had stomache problems for years as he has a Hiatis Hernia and a stomache Ulcer.

Do you think that the Durathon will be any help to me?

[sambalam]

it was sort of, i got a tummy ache every time i ate, and the undigested food caused cerebal anxiety - headaches, fogginess etc. it wasn't pretty. am fixed now. tummy healed itself when igot rid of the candida overgrowth.

so he mightn't have realised that he had another problem because those things would have masked it. now that it's fixed, he might have more success fixing the others too.

sherrie had success with durathon if i remember rightly, although it eventually wore off for her. you can only try!

[Sherrie]

Where did you get the Durathon from Anne?
I did'nt think it was around atm because it was recalled?
I know POH don't sell it.

TBH it's just siberian ginseng so I'd rather save my money and just buy siberian ginseng.

PS: It did break a stall of mine, weightloss lasted for a month but it's never worked since.

Because it's siberian ginseng it does have other benefits, good for stamina and immune system. But after 2 months you need to cycle off for 2 months.

[Anne]

Hi Sherrie I ordered it over the net on this site

www.durathon.com.au

It is only available in W.A. apparentely from what I can understand. they have it on special at the moment for $4****0 for 60 tabs.

thanks for the information every bit will help.
Do you think I'm eating the right things??


Todays menu.

Breakfast- 3 bacon rashers, 1 small grilled tomato, 2 eggs 1 tea

water.
tonic water with a splash of lemon juice

Lunch - tuna, lettuve and tomato with 1 dessertspoon of 98% fat free dressing, and water

2.00pm water

3.00pm 1 coffee ( forgot to have the decafe one)

water

Dinner - cauliflower, broccoli, 1/2 zuccini, cabbage, 1 lamb chop and 1 cup of tea

[Sherrie]

Thats a rip off, don't buy it again for that.

Whats the expiry/batch on it?

[Anne]

Sorry Sherrie have only just been able to get back into PoH.
The Batch # is 68117 and Expiry is 03/2004.

If that was a rip off how much is it really

[Sherrie]

When I say rip off I mean in comparison to just buying any other siberian ginseng product of equal strength.

POH used to sell it for $39.00

I checked on TGA site, that batch is okay. I just wanted to make sure for you as that product was recalled during the PAN incident.

[murraymj]

I bought some Durathon in a health food store for $39.95 but I think you can only get it in some health food store in WA.

[luv2bslim]

Anne/Sherrie, what is the durathon for?

cheers
l2bs

[Sherrie]

It's for weightloss and stamina see www.durathon.net . I looked up the herb that they are using and it's just siberian ginseng.

For comparison:
With Durathon you need to take 2 capsules. Each capsule contains Syringaresinol diglucosides 354 mcg.

But with the Golden glow siberian ginseng each capsule contains Syringaresinol diglucosides 400mcg.

To top that off Durathon is 60 caps, Golden Glow is 100 caps and Golden glow one only costs $20.65 !

Big difference in price, and it can't be due to quality since Durathon had used PAN.

Thats only one comparison too, plenty of other siberian ginseng products around. Siberian ginseng is suppossed to be the cheaper ginseng.

[luv2bslim]

Sherrie, WOW, you are good :-)

Do you think it is worth trying?

cheers
l2bs

[Funky Monkey]

Just remember to avoid taking anything containing asprin if you are taking a supplement that contains ginseng. They both thin the blood and can cause problems.

[Sherrie]

Well siberian ginseng is known more for it's tonic (immune system, stamina etc) affect rather then weightloss.

But that said when I had durathon it did seem to help for the first month then after that nothing.

It is a great tonic though. If you do have it you need to cycle it. Say have it for one or two months then stop for same amount of time.

[Anne]

Well I still don't think that I am loosing it fast enough and am getting a bit worried. I need to get my stomache to shrink a bit as I have what is called an apron and it is rather noticeable and hard to get something on that doesn't show it too much.

I have been sticking to the diet strictly so here's hoping except for when I had lunch at Maca's yesterday.
That 4th Oct is looming in really fast.

My menus:

21/08/03

Breakfast – 2 rashers bacon, 2 eggs, ½ tomato

mid morning water

Lunch – 2 slices silverside
Lettuce, ½ tomato, cheese
1 tea

25/08/03
Breakfast – 2 bacon rashers
2 eggs

water

Lunch – ham, lettuce, tomato, cheese
1 tea

water

tea

Dinner – broccoli
Zuccini
Cauliflower
1 tea
low carb jelly, 2 strawberry’s & cream

1 Coffee

26/08/03
Breakfast – 1 egg
4 mushrooms
1 tea

water

Lunch – chicken salad 98% low fat
(from Maca's as in Port for the day)
2 coffee

water

Dinner – broccoli, cauliflower zuccini sprinkled with grated cheese
Chicken breast grilled
1 tea

water, water

27/08/03
Breakfast- 3 bacon rashers
1 egg
4 mushy's
1 tea

water

Lunch - 2 slives ham, lettuce, tomato


My stats:

26/08/2003
wrist -16 cm........lost 1cm
forearm- 28 cm.....lost3cm
Upper/arm - 41cm
waist- 114 cm........10cm
Hips - 157 cm.........8cm
bust - 130cm (with bra)
under bust - didn't measure
Thigh - 78cm.........4cm

[luv2bslim]

Anne, you are doing so well...It will move soon, honest :-)


Maybe you could cut out your coffee and have decaf and see if that makes a difference

cheers
l2bs

[Anne]

thanks L2BS. Do you think I'm eating too many carbs

[sambalam]

personally anne, i'd give the tea and coffee a rest, or at least cut down and do decaf. caffeine does cause insulin spikes. it looks like you are getting just the right amount of carbs but thats hard to tell unless you are measuring and counting everything. sometimes things slow down then sped up, unfortunately that is up to your body, nothing else!

[Anne]

OK thanks Sam. I will just go back to drinking water then.

I haven't been measuring everything.

I have 1/2 to 1 tomato per day
1 floweret of broccoli if it was mashed it might fill a tablespn
the same with cauliflower
1/2 a small zuccinni
4 - 5 mushy's when I have them
when I have cheese it is about a tablespn of grated mozzerella
1 -2 eggs usually poached
my bacon is grilled as is all my meat

so me thinks it really must be the coffee and the tea although I drink more tea than coffee. Only because hubby will pour me a cup instead of letting me have my lemon infusion

[sambalam]

maybe try upping the lower carb vegies (like broccoli, cauli, mushies, zucchini, spinach) because they are good for fibre, nutrients and you can have quite a bit for little carb. eg 1 cup of cauli (raw) is 4g carbs and that's quite a bit! you should try to get most of your carbs from vegies - 2 cups salad and 1 cup vegies or vice versa per day. it's great that you aren't overdoing it on the cheese. but i do think you need to watch your caffeine intake. be careful with herbal teas, some do contain caffeine and the fruit ones aren't good. i put a tablespoon of lemon juice into hot water and find this is really nice and very low carb.

maybe for a couple of days work out your carbs and see if you are under? it could be that. tell hubby he is standing in the way of you and your goal and to start making you lemon tea!

[luv2bslim]

Thanks for the surgery site Anne, it was pretty good, and now I know the difference between a major/minor tuck. I think I need somewhere in the middle of both :-)

Have a great weekend
cheers
l2bs

[Anne]

that's OK L2B. I'll prbably need a double one whenever I have one.

I have been really good on my diet but I did have a tiny lttle bit of the kids pizza last night just 2 bites so I new I wasn't missing out then I had dinner. I have this darn flu back again today. I was fine yesterday.

Yesterdays menu was

Breakfast - 2 bacon strips, 1 egg, 1 tea

water

Lunch - lettuce, cheese, tomato, ham
1 tea

water

lemon infusion - Caffiene Free

Dinner - 2 bites of pizza
chicken in garlic and worchestershire sauce
4 oz fresh orange juice

todays menu-
Breaky - 2 egg omolette with chicken, chives and parsley flakes
1 tea

water water

Lunch - lettuce cheese tomato and ham with fat free Italian dressing and 1 tea

2 strawberries and water

Dinner - broccoli, cauliflower, zuccini, and chicken 1 Tea

[luv2bslim]

Anne, your diet looks really good to me (but I'm no expert) except for the OJ..
I don't know why you aren't losing much weight, but you are losing cm's..

I guess I have just been really lucky and when the weight stays the same for weeks on end, I haven't given up or lost hope, and off it goes again.

Have a great weekend with all your kiddies :-)

Cheers
freezing l2bs

[Sherrie]

ACK don't drink the orange juice, that will take you straight out of ketosis. Fruits with the exception of mainly berries and rhubarb are just as bad as sugar.

[Sherrie]

Keep in mind that tea contains caffiene aswell.

Heres a site that will give you a rough idea on how much:
http://www.anzfa.gov.au/whatsinfood/caffeine/index.cfm

According to that 1 cup of tea may contain more then a can of coke!

[Anne]

Thanks Sherrie. You were right about the OJ it took me right off the negative end of the keto stix.

I have decided to stick to my lemon infusion. It is Caffiene free, so I shouldn't get into any trouble there.

It has always been hard for me to lose weight. It has always been the same didn't matter what diet I was on and I have tried them all or most all.

[Anne]

Well I am back, has anyone missed me?

I have been very good stuck to the diet like a stickler.
I have cut out the coffee except for today. I visited my sister and she made me a cup of coffee.

yesterday's menu
breakfast - 3 strips bacon, 1/2 tomato 1 tea

water water

Lunch - ham, salad of lettuce, tomato and cheese 1 tea

water water

Dinner - broccoli, cauliflower, 1/2 grilled tomato, 2 eggs
1 tea

Today
Breakfast - 3 strips bacon, 1/2 tomato, 1 egg 1 tea

Water water

LUnch Silverside lettuce, cheese and 1/2 tomato 1 coffee

Coffee
tonic water


My stats today are
4/09/2003
Wrist - 16cm.............. Have lost 1cm
Forearm- 26cm............................. 5cm
Upper arm - 42cm ........................
Waist - 113cm ............................11cm
Hips - 152cm ...............................11cm
under bust - 102cm .....................7 cm
Bust - 129cm(with bra).................1cm
Thigh - 77cm ................................5cm
Shin - 42cm

[Moonie]

I have been very good stuck to the diet like a stickler.
You did well, and it's good to see those cm's still coming off!!

[Anne]

thanks moonstruck
I have been really trying as I still can't walk to much on this darn ankle it gets to sore when I try so I have bought myself some ankle weights and lightweight dumbells to use

I only have 4 weeks left until my sons wedding so time is closing in fast for me and not being able to exercise properly is making it hard

[Anne]

Hi everyone I am still here and sticking to the diet.
Jus has been having cp problems lately so that is why noone's heard from her. Makes it hard to contact her as it is much cheaper to use the net then telephone.

Well I hoped on the scales this morning and I am now 113 kg. I got back on three times because I thought they were reading wrong.

Yesterdays menu
Breaky - bacon 1/2 tomato, 1 coffee

water water

Lunch - Macka's salad as went to watch one of my sons win his Grand Final in the 3rd division Mens soccer.

was a great game. But I really must learn not to yell out. I got quiet frustrated with them as they hadn't scored at 1/2 time and were down 1 nil. then 10 min into 2nd half they still hadn't scored I yelled out and told them to get their Finger out. I really embarrassed myself but they all thought it was funny. and went on to win 2 - 1

water

water water

Dinner - grilled chicken breast, broccoli grilled 1/2 tomato cauliflower. water

water

Today
Breakfast - bacon 1 coffee

water
water

Lunch - corned beef, lettuce cheese 1/2 tomato water
Had 1 glass of milk as thought
I was craving for it until I drank it. Did not enjoy at all.

water water

Dinner - scotch fillet steak grilled, broccoli, cauliflower and zuccini. 1/2 grilled tomato, water

[sambalam]

anne, if you crave things sometimes, see if you can substitute it first. i had the same thing a while ago with milk (which i don't drink as i am lactose intolerant) so i had a cocoa with cream in it. that fixed my cravings!

[luv2bslim]

Anne, wow, down to 113 :-) Thats a loss of 15kgs...or in the old language
33lb, or 2.3 STONES!!!!
Thats excellent
Congrats on your son's soccer win, it sounds like you had a great time..lol
Have a great week
cheers
l2bs

[Sherrie]

Grats Anne! :)

[Anne]

Thanks everyone. Yes I did have a great time at the game.

Thanks Sam. I will substitute from now on. The terrible bit about that milk is that I wasn't even hungry I just got this craving for the milk.

Will not happen again.

[Anne]

Woke up with a really bad head yesterday kept me in bed most of the day, Headache still there today but nowhere as bad.

Well I was given this great book on Saturday. It is called The Power of PROTEIN Low carb and High protein diet by Chris Smith.
For anyone just starting this L/C diet it is great, it explains everything from your 20% - 30% Carbs to the 70% protein. It has the rules to follow. It has a guide to follow in the induction period. It lists your proteins and the vegies and what their carb values are explains about caffeine, water, sweeteners (Stevia is the best, it has no carbs), etc. It really makes the diet very easy to understand and follow, and it simplifies everything to make for easier reading. It also has 60 easy recipes.

yesterdays meals
Breakfast - 3 strips of bacon- 1 cup of herbal decaff tea

water water

Lunch - salmon salad tonic water.

water water

I decaff coffee

Dinner - broccoli, zuccini, cauliflower, chicken

todays meals
Breakfast - 3 bacon rashers 1 cup of decaff tea

water, water

Lunch- lettuce, cheese, chicken

water, water

Dinner - cauliflower, zuccini, broccoli chicken wrapped in bacon
1 tea

[Gizmo]

you are going great Anne - make sure you keep it up !!

your menus have come a long way from when you first started...

[Sherrie]

Just keep in mind, for ketosis those percentages are not suitable.

[Gizmo]

yes, yes Sherrie - quite right..

i refer you to Section 2, paragraph 5 point 3 in regards to the Ketosis Inducing manual you were issued with in which i quote..

"..any carbohydrate percentage over that of the average age of your parents divided by the age of your cat (or dog) is deemed too high and must be reduced on pain of weight gain.."

[sambalam]

oh dear lord, what had matt been inhaling this morning?

[Moonie]

Must have overdosed on the redbull hey matt;)

[Gizmo]

no sleep, 4 coffees since 06:00 and counting !! :D

I feel like Speedy Gonzales.. (except a lot uglier !!)

[Sherrie]

Thats some damn good coffee then LOL

[sambalam]

what are you having espresso? BF has one of those at home and doesn't shut up for a few hours afterwards

[Gizmo]

yea espresso - ive got some expenseive italian pod coffee that is super strong - i swear after drinking it i can see through time !!

Other than that - i still like the gloria jeans coffee's (the strong bean ones - the boutique ones are a joke)

..And as i type this my lovely assistant has brought me in another coffee...

[sambalam]

*snort* your lovely assistant. aren't you the lucky one.

my BF makes his own, then uses it to make jumbo coffees. i love the smell, hate the taste, but he sure gets wired on the stuff.

[Gizmo]

i admit - i am a lucky guy...i got plenty of people around here who look after me when im in such a dangerously weird mood.. :D

[sambalam]

yeh but what you don't know is where they hide the straitjacket.

[Gizmo]

...you mean the pretty white jacket im wearing now ??

They told me it was a magical jacket... :( ;)

[sambalam]

ooooh yes it is magical jacket matt. and very pretty

[Anne]

Thanks everyone. I really am trying. What am I having too much of Sherrie. My head is still too sore to think straight on this one.


Just keep in mind, for ketosis those percentages are not suitable.

Maybe I should start to measure and weigh everything

[sambalam]

For anyone just starting this L/C diet it is great, it explains everything from your 20% - 30% Carbs to the 70% protein

20% carbs would be too high for ketosis wouldn't it?

[Anne]

Hi Sam
You could be right but according to this Power of Protein book it says that if you need to loose
.........5 - 10 kg ....................10 - 15gms carb per day
.........10 - 20 kg ..................15 - 18 gms
........20 - 40 kg .................18 - 25gms
........40 - 50kg .................. 20 - 30 gms

to my way of thinking I have to loose at least 40 - 50kg so I come in the last one. But then again it also says that you should read on the keto stix Moderate to large and I am lucky to read the 0.05 on the stix so you could be right.

[Anne]

this must mean I need to eat less carbs. Does that seem right to you

[Anne]

Thanks Gizmo but the menues seem pretty boring to me.
I have cut out all drinks with caffeine in them now. I think I'm turning into a real health fanatic.
I certainly have a lot more energy then I did have and I am getting around a lot better, even with my gummy ankle. Now that one is a problem. have had the cast off for about 3 weeks now and the thing is still really tender and now starting to swell. I was hoping it was only fluid but the other one isn't swelling so can't be that

[sambalam]

first of all, i am totally against going under 20g of carbs full stop. your brain needs that minimum amount of glucose to function. so i believe it is important to stay at 20g at least. i don't see how scientifically they can say to lose X amount of weight you need X amount of carbs. being in ketosis is what creates the weight loss, whether you get a reading or not. some people can have 50g carbs and still lose. some might lose faster than others on more or less, i believe this is a highly individual thing anne. sorry to be a downer, but that table looks like bunk, i can't think of how they would've worked that out. stick to 20-25g and make sure all your carbs are mostly coming from low carb vegies.

[Anne]

Thanks Sam well looks like I better watch what I am eating more carefully then .

[Sherrie]

Not only that, 70% protien is going to keep you out of ketosis aswell. Any excess protien will be converted to glucose.
The whole idea of ketosis is by switching our bodies from glucose burning mode to fat burning mode.

But are you eating 70% of your calories from protien?

But that said how is your weightloss lately? <--- this is more important then ketosis.

[Sherrie]

Hmmm do you mean 20-30% carbs, 70% protien or 20 - 30g carbs, 70g protien?

[Anne]

I meant 20 - 30 % Carbs to 70% protein or that is what the book says

[goingfor it]

Gosh Anne, I feel the headache, I was so up in the air for a few weeks, wondering if what I was doing was right, a=especially when I wasn't losing weight!! Tough it out, and you will work out what works for you, and get more of a feel for what puts you i and out. Let yourself experiment a little, you are in it for the long haul, so making a few changes every now and again wont make or break you, and you might discover something that reallyworks for you.

Just keep at it
BTW How much water are you drinking?
G4it

[Anne]

I drink between 1 1/2 to 2 ltrs a day as well as tonic water
but I have just worked out my carbs and I am only eating about 15 - 20 grams carbs a day

[sambalam]

anne see if you can get at least 2 lit or even 2.5. lots of water is important. did your headache happen after cutting out caffiene?? that usually triggers headache withdrawal.

definitely get 20g min. very important.

[Sherrie]

So does dehydration

[Anne]

No I Have been off the caffeine for over a week. it could be the water I suppose. I'll have a go at drinking more of it and see how I go. Are my carbs too low do you think?

[Sherrie]

Keep your carbs at 20g Anne, try not to go under.

[Anne]

Thanks Sherrie. I think that has been what's happening. I added up what I would have been going to eat today counting dinner and it only came to 15 carbs so I will go put more broccoli on for myself

[Sherrie]

If you want to bring your carbs up 5g on broccoli you will need to eat 1 kg of it! :D

[Anne]

Well Sherrie Ha.. ha.. I doubled my broccoli and that only brought me up to 18.5 carbs. But it was oh soo much broccoli. I couldn't do that again, it was too much so I might start having a little bit of carrot . What do you think about that? I also added jelly and cream which came to another 3gms carbs so that brings it to 21.5 grams carbs.

[Sherrie]

Hehe broccolli is much better for when your are having trouble getting as low as 20g :)

It's a lifesaver when you get to the stage that your hungry alot, great tummy filler!

If your having trouble getting as high as 20g and you are definately eating enough then go for it but no fruit or sugar!

Don't forget to weigh those meat slices for me so we can see if your having a big enough portion.

[Anne]

HI Sherrie, I weighed the silverside 2 slices weighed 100gm

I sweetened the cream with splenda and whipped it.

[Sherrie]

Corned?

[Sherrie]

Either way I don't think your eating enough for your lunch, let me show you.

100g Corned Silverside (Boiled), Lean: 130 calories, 3.5g Fat, 25.5g Protien, 0 carbs

100g " " " , With fat:
204 calories, 13g fat, 22g protien 0 carbs

100g Silverside Baked, Lean:
177 calories, 4.5g fat, 34g protien 0 carbs

100g " " With fat:
231 calories, 11.5g fat, 31.5g protien 0 carbs

So from that you could be having anywhere from 130 calories to 231 calories. Two slices of tomatoe and 2 lettuce leaves won't really change that.

Your also not snacking from what I can tell so I would assume unless your breakfast and dinner are both enourmous, you are not eating enough.

If it's corned then your probably looking at 1200-1500mg of sodium just from that so it's up to you if you want to add another slice. You could otherwise add a couple of boiled eggs to it.

[Anne]

Yes it is corned boiled silverside
Sometimes I have 2 slices of soccer ball ham instead or I might have some tinned red salmon but the lettuce tomato and cheese intake is still the same.
Breakfast I usually have
3 slices of bacon and 1 fried egg or
2 fried eggs and 1/2 fried tomato or sometimes
I will add 3 fried mushrooms to them or
like this morning I had 2 boiled eggs and 1 bottle of water

Dinner I usually have chicken breast grilled as I prefer that to other meats.
and the vegies are always the same broccoli, cauliflower, somestimes zuccini, sometimes cabbage boiled

[Sherrie]

1/2 a chicken breast I would assume is around 150g:
236 calories 7.5g fat 42.8g protien 0 carbs

The protien count there is good so more chicken me be just a waste.

I tried to work out the value for your breakfast but there is so many different variations on the bacon it's hard to say. You might want to just have a look at the values for bacon on diet club to get an idea.
In regards to the other breakfast choice a large 'fried' egg is (if it's poached it's value would be much less):
137 cals 11.1g Fat 8,5 protien and 0.3 carbs

So almost 300 cals for 2 fried eggs. Fried 1/2 tomatoe won't add too much more.
So on the days you have this for breaky your calories could be only around the 1000 mark which is'nt much.



Hmm it might be a good idea to snack but add atleast a boiled egg to your lunch aswell.

[luv2bslim]

Anne, do you feel hungry during the day? Maybe you should eat more.
I didn't realize I was supposed to weigh or count anything( ready to be shot down in flames now) as the aitkins book I read was the old version which said eat as much as you like, and I thought it sounded so good, thats what I did, and to tell the truth (don't tell anyone) thats what I still do :-)
So maybe, because we are bigger girls, it works that way for a while.
Maybe thats worth a try for a few weeks, eat more and see if you lose less...

Good luck
cheers
l2bs
PS have a great weekend

[Anne]

Hi Sherrie , L2Bs
The eggs are sometimes poached or boiled, But usually fried in the pan while I cook Mushrooms in it.

I don't often get hungry but the other day I did, Wednesday I think, so I Boiled 6 eggs and kept them in the fridge I had 2 for breaky on Friday and I have used 3 to snack on and there is still one in the fridge.
I am getting around more and doing a bit of gardening now which is good.

[Anne]

I didn't realise that you had to weigh the food either. I don't have the book I have only been doing what Jus has told me or what I have found out from you guys on the net. So maybe I had better start weighing and measuring everything for a while anyway.