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Snez

27-04-2010, 09:29 AM

** Personally, I think this diet is way too low in fat so I am having more fat than recommended. **

Extract from The Dukan Diet Book which I don't agree with:
Extract from book, p. 18
"Lipids (fats) are the absolute enemy of anyone trying to be slim as they represent, for every living species, the most concentrated form in which surplus energy is stored. Eating fat means you are eating an animal's fat reserves, which, in theory as in practice, stands every chance of increasing your weight."
"Since the Atkins diet appeared, opening the way for lipids by demonizing carbohydrates, many diets have adopted this sensationalized point of view which served its promoter so well. It was quite clearly a major mistake, and for two reasons: cholesterol and triglyceride levels rise dangerously, some people paying for this with their lives; and mistrust of fats is gone and once gone it makes any form of stabilization impossible."
p.19 "For those who want to be slim or, in particular, for those who are trying to lose weight, lipids represent every danger possible".
(From The Dukan Diet Book).

The Dukan diet consists of four stages Source: Daily Mail

1. Attack Eating protein exclusively for up to 10 days, including meat, fish and non-fat dairy products.
2. Cruise You can have unlimited vegetables during this period, where you alternate protein-only days with vegetable and protein days.
3. Consolidation During the consolidation period, eat protein and vegetables every day. Add one piece of fruit, two slices of bread and a serving of cheese each day. Have a couple of starchy meals (such as pasta or risotto) each week as well as a couple of celebration meals where you eat what you like.
4. Stabilisation There's one rule during stabilisation: only eat protein on Thursdays. Everything else can be eaten without restriction. Eat oat bran daily and don’t take lift or elevator.
The Dukan Diet by Dr Pierre Dukan will be published by Hodder & Stoughton in May, 2010.

ATTACK – Pure Protein Only (PP)

Anything NOT on the list is forbidden … for now:

1. Lean beef and veal or rabbit, not pork or lamb (trim all fat and avoid ribs as too fatty). Eat meat grilled, roasted or boiled and without using butter, oil or cream (not even low-fat versions). You could also ‘dry fry’ it - rub the surface of a frying pan with a few drops of oil on kitchen paper. Lean minced beef can be prepared as burgers or meatballs (mixed with an egg, spices, capers or gherkins) or enjoy frozen beef burgers (if less than 10 per cent fat).

2 All chicken and turkey (not goose or farmed duck) but remove skin before eating and avoid the outside part of the wings (too fatty).

3. Ham if low-fat and lean, also cut rind off. Avoid deli, cured, and smoked hams (too fatty).
4. Beef, veal or chicken liver.

5. All fish white or oily, fresh, frozen, dried, smoked or canned (but not in oil or in any sauce containing fat), even crab sticks.

6. All crustaceans and shellfish.

7. Up to two eggs a day. Stick to 3 to 4 yolks per week if you have high cholesterol, but the white can be eaten without restriction.

8. Non-fat dairy products such as 0per cent yoghurt, fromage frais, quark, cottage cheese, and skimmed milk. Natural ( plain) and flavored yoghurts (coconut, vanilla, lemon) are allowed without restriction, but non-fat fruit yoghurts (containing fruit puree) should be limited to two a day (or avoided if you want a lightning start to your attack phase).

9. Sweeteners (Canderel, Silverspoon Sweetener) or Stevia (a natural sweetener available from health food stores), vinegar, spices, herbs, garlic, onion, gherkins, pickled onions (as condiments, but not in large quantities), lemon juice (on food, but not to drink), mustard and salt (in moderation), sugar-free natural ketchup in moderation, sugar-free chewing gum (can slow down the mechanical swing towards eating whenever you feel under pressure).

Additional rules

Drink 1.5litres of water per day (plain or carbonated) particularly at mealtimes to help you feel full. Tea, coffee and diet drinks (no more than 1 calorie per glass) can be included in this total.
Eat 1.5 tablespoons of oat bran per day (as porridge, sprinkled on yoghurt, or made into a pancake).
Walk briskly for 20 minutes every day. This is a non-negotiable doctor’s prescription.
Avoid all butter and oil.

THE CRUISE PHASE – Pure Protein and Protein and Veg Alternate Days (PP/PV)

This next phase consists of two alternating diets. This is the workhorse stage where you alternate pure protein days with days when you include a delicious array of unlimited vegetables to your wide selection of meat, fish and no-fat dairy products. Expect to lose around 2lb a week.
The most efficient way to work this stage is to spend one day on the pure protein ‘attack’ diet (above), and the next on a protein and vegetable diet, switching between the two, one day at a time, until you reach your chosen weight.

However, some people prefer to work to a rhythm of five days of protein followed by five of protein plus vegetables, or, if you have only a little weight to lose, try two days of pure protein (say Mondays and Thursdays) with every other day protein combined with vegetables.
Now you can introduce the following vegetables - raw, steamed, boiled or baked (in foil) - with your meat or fish: artichoke, asparagus, aubergine, broccoli, cabbage (white, red, Savoy, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprout), celery/celeriac, chicory, courgette, cucumber, fennel, French beans/ mangetout, leeks, mushrooms, onion, peppers, pumpkin, radish, salad leaves (lettuce/rocket/watercress), sorrel, soya beans, spinach, Swede, Swiss chard, tomatoes, turnip.

In principle, you can eat as many of these vegetables as you like, whenever you like, but if you want speedy weight loss, it’s best not to eat vegetables with complete abandon - better to eat until you no longer feel hungry.
Carrots and beetroot are on the list too, but they are quite starchy, so avoid having them with every meal and while in this phase, steer completely away from starchy vegetables such as potatoes, rice, corn, peas, beans and lentils and avocado (it is technically a fruit anyway).

Don’t worry if your weight loss plateaus occasionally on vegetable days. This is merely water levels resetting themselves. Stick with it. The weight will fall off.

The rules
One to five pure protein days (as the ‘attack’ phase) interspersed with one to five days when quantities of vegetables can also be eaten.
Increase oat bran intake to 2 tbsp per day.
Increase exercise to a 30-minute brisk walk each day.
Keep drinking at least 1.5 liters of water each day.
Note: Originally it was 5/5 – 5 days PP only followed by 5 days PV. Dr Dukan changed it to 1/1 alternate days PP and PV because some found it difficult. If weight loss is slow may want to go back to 5/5.

CONSOLIDATION PHASE

1. Eat as much protein and vegetables (together) each day as you want without any restriction on quantity, time of day or combination.

2. Add one serving of fruit per day (avoid high-sugar bananas, grapes, cherries, dried fruits and high-fat nuts)

3. Enjoy two slices of wholemeal bread per day, spread with fat-reduced butter

4. Have one serving (40g or 1.5oz) of hard cheese per day (but avoid blue cheese, soft cheese or goat's cheese)

5. Factor in one serving of 'starchy foods' per week in the first half of your Consolidation Phase, increasing to two servings per week in the second half. This includes pasta (225g or 8oz serving in tomato, not creamy, sauce and with no oil), couscous/polenta (225g or 8oz cooked in stock, not butter or oil), lentils, beans, chickpeas, rice (ideally brown) and potatoes (but only occasionally and without butter).

6. Broaden your meat repertoire to include any quantity of lamb, roast pork and ham (remove all fat first) once or twice a week

7. Let your hair down and plan and enjoy one celebration meal a week in the first half of the Consolidation Phase, increasing to two in the second half. In this meal you really can eat whatever you want - and you should choose something you've missed during the weight-loss period.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU SLIP UP

When you embark on the Dukan Diet, it is very important to follow the rules absolutely to the letter during the Attack Phase. This phase sets you into orbit; it is short and has to be done in one single go without any deviation.

As soon as you get into the Cruise Phase (where you alternate protein only and protein and vegetable days), lapses from the diet such as social commitments and dining out are often unavoidable. Keep them to a minimum and try to reduce any damage by feeding yourself with protein-rich foods and vegetables wherever you go. If you go overboard at any time, don't panic, just get back on track where you left off. If, at any time during Cruise, you find your weight-loss tailing off, or if during Consolidation and Stabilisation the weight creeps back, try these emergency tactics:
• Four days back on Attack
• Restrict salt intake (to reduce the risk of water retention)
• Upping water intake to 2 litres per day (to flush through the kidneys)
• Get more sleep
• Above all walk for 60 minutes a day for four days. This sudden dose of exercise will confuse the body and jolt it out of stagnation.

But there are two important conditions - NEVER have second helpings of the same dish and NEVER eat two celebration meals in a row (if you splurge on Tuesday night, at Wednesday's breakfast the success of your diet is on the line). Have one of each: one starter, one main, one dessert and one glass of wine, all in a reasonable quantity but only once.
• Keep one pure protein day per week - say, Thursdays. This is your insurance policy against gaining weight.
• Take 2tbsp of oat bran per day (as a pancake or sprinkled on food)
• Walk 25 minutes per day (longer if you enjoy it and have time)

STABILISATION

The secret of staying slim forever
When you have successfully completed the consolidation stage of the diet (five days for every 1lb you lost in the earlier Attack and Cruise stages) you are ready for the fourth and final stage of the Dukan diet. Your new slimline body will have given up its extreme reactivity, wanting to extract every last calorie from everything you eat, and your metabolism will be calmer. But experience shows the likelihood of regaining weight will remain if you do not incorporate into your lifestyle a number of habits specifically designed to deal with this risk. The Stabilisation Stage of the Dukan Diet offers permanent slenderness in return for four simple, extremely effective but nonnegotiable measures that you should follow for the rest of your life.

Stabilisation rules
Go back to eating whatever you like, but continue to use the basic rules of the Consolidation Phase as a safety platform (eat unlimited protein and vegetables, one piece of fruit a day, two slices of wholemeal bread, a portion of cheese, two starchy foods and two celebration meals a week).
Keep this in mind as your point of healthy-diet reference, and use it as your safety back-up if you are under threat of regaining weight.
Pick one day a week - for the rest of your life - when you eat nothing but protein. This is the key that allows you to eat normally for the other six days of the week without putting any weight back on. (Drink at least two litres of water to flush the digestive system and reduce its craving for food)
Make a vow to walk (briskly) for 20 minutes every day, and never take a lift or step on an escalator. Going up or down the stairs makes the body's largest muscles contract and, in a short time, uses up considerable calories.

Increase your daily oat bran intake to 3tbsp and stick to it for life.

Some websites:
http://mydukandiet.com/recipes/index.html
(Katrina's sister)

http://glamedup.wordpress.com/
(Katrina went from 107-72 her blog - she is transcribing her weeks on the diet in blog)

http://www.dukandiet.co.uk/
Main Dukan Diet website

Doc-G

28-04-2010, 10:28 AM

Interesting. Looks pretty similar in a way to BT.

Attack = Detox
Weight Loss = Weekly diet but structured a little differently. BT allows a small carb serve in the mornings but not on Protein only days which in this are called Pure Protein days
Stabilization = Again like the weekly diet but structured a little differently. This phase appears to allow small amounts of carbs in a similar way to the BT weight loss phase.
Consolidation = Maintenance

All of these diets seem like rehashed versions similar to a CKD and I would assume they all work on the same basis physiologically. It would be interesting to find out from a historical basis who came up with the original idea to cycle carbs and eat less of them. I dont see why it wouldn't work but with it being so similar to what I do, I see no reason to change.

The only thing of concern to me is that it seems to push the 'all you can eat' side of things. I personally believe a calorie deficit is required but that lowered carbs and increased protein help to stop the cravings and allow you to create the deficit more easily. It will be interesting to reads others thoughts on this however.

I will keep it as a bookmark however as it looks interesting. Thanks for the post.

Regards,

G

Snez

28-04-2010, 11:01 AM

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Akasha

28-04-2010, 04:29 PM

I couldn`t imagine doing the 10 po days. I can`t even do the 3 po days on bt anymore as it makes me sick.

LC_Dave

28-04-2010, 04:44 PM

It seems a very disordered way to eat.

I'm wondering what the long term compliance is on something like this?

Snez

28-04-2010, 04:55 PM

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Sherrie

28-04-2010, 04:56 PM

I couldn't do it because I just don't like protein that much and eating protein on its own just makes me more hungry then before I start eating.

Akasha

28-04-2010, 05:36 PM

Not for me, it makes me sick, not to mention problems such as constipation ect, I don`t think its very healthy, body needs fibre and nutrients from veges, I think my one day a week of doing po days is bad enough. Each to there own.

Snez

28-04-2010, 05:39 PM

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jojoamethyst

28-04-2010, 05:51 PM

always going ot get comments on something as controversial as this
keep us posted snez how you are doing
i mean it may work and its not going to kill you

not sure i could do it at this moment but then i have done some fairly different types of diets in the past

31-05-2010, 09:33 PM

This was on tv "todaytonight" tonight and had a right up in the "sunday times" this week too.

It looks so much like the Body Trim plan to me but not as structured with the amounts of food you can eat.
Body trim has a 3 day protien start, Dukan has up to 5 day protien start.
They both are based on eating mainly lean protien and low carb vegies/salad with 2 free meals a week.

Did anyone else see it?

Snez

31-05-2010, 11:12 PM

PP, there is no cheat meals as far as I can see. I've got the book.

Attack Phase is protein only up to 10 days (average 5 days)
Cruise Phase - alternate between protein only and protein and veg - do this until goal
Consolidation (I think going by memory) - learn how to maintain your weight - to not put weight straight back on after fast weight loss.
Stabilisation - do these 3 for the rest of your life - 3 tbs oat bran daily, Protein only Thursday, don't use lifts or elevators

Its very low fat - dairy, meat etc. Quite restrictive but supposed to get you to goal fast.

Daisy

02-06-2010, 09:33 AM

I think it sounds doable and I wish you all the very best of luck with it Snez and anyone else that is going to try :)

jellz

02-06-2010, 09:44 AM

Are you going to follow it Snez? I'm confused as to why all your posts are deleted now? It actually looks very interesting, more for my bf than for me as it would send me crazy but he's quite happy eating protein protein and more protein and if I didn't bug him to eat more veges then he'd probably eat more protein! :P
Love to know how you go :) I might try and pick up the book at some stage.

Snez

02-06-2010, 09:54 AM

Jellz, my posts where deleted because I felt a bit picked on for even bringing up the subject of the Dukan diet. Anyway, I just over-reacted.

jellz

02-06-2010, 10:01 AM

Jellz, my posts where deleted because I felt a bit picked on for even bringing up the subject of the Dukan diet. Anyway, I just over-reacted.

Ahh ok! I think good on you for bringing it up :) You have to do what's right for you and like I said I think it would suit my bf. Anyway good luck :D

Snez

02-06-2010, 10:06 AM

Thanks Jellz. I was in a mood that day and I really think I just over-reacted. Anyway, back to losing some weight!

Sherrie

02-06-2010, 11:09 AM

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one :)

My main concern, would be the calories but you would know that already :p

Snez

02-06-2010, 11:31 AM

My main concern is the very low fat. But I'm adding a little bit more fat.
It doesn't have to be low calorie but you kind of lose your appetite and there is only so much protein and vegies you can eat!

The details of Dukan diet are back up again on the first page of this thread. (Sherrie are you able to pretty it up - so easier to read - add bold headers)

Akasha

02-06-2010, 11:36 AM

I was under the impression that you were asking what people thought of the diet, which was the responce that you got, at least it was from me anyways. My answers were in relation too how I would fare on the diet, nothing more.

Snez

02-06-2010, 11:44 AM

Akasha, I over-reacted. I was not in a good head space - my weight was getting me down and I read about the Dukan diet and I felt optimistic again. This diet is definitely not going to suit everyone. We all need to find what works for us and what we can maintain compliance on. I don't really know if this will really work for me but I am giving it a go. Sorry for my dramatics.:o

Akasha

02-06-2010, 11:58 AM

I really hope this works for you. I wish you all the best.

Sherrie

02-06-2010, 12:28 PM

Ok just looked at it and I really don't like the low fat part of it.

Tweety

02-06-2010, 12:55 PM

I started this today for the month of June just to see how I go. I don't think it is a lot different to BT so I'm hoping that the transition wont be too painful:D.

I too will have a little more fat than is recommended, only because it seems a little too low even for my BT body:). I managed to make it though half the day so far. will see how I go for the rest of the attack phase:eek:

Snez

02-06-2010, 12:56 PM

Yeh, very low fat! Hence, why I'm having more. I wonder if anyone following Dukan diet to the letter has had issues with gallstones after? I suppose you have to be prone to getting them. As my sister has 2 small gallstones I'm being very careful.

Thanks Akasha.

Tweety, glad you are having more fat too! (I think Dr Dukan is too restrictive with the fat).

Sherrie

02-06-2010, 01:11 PM

Yeah I think it is a good idea not just for gallstones but also because it won't be very palatable so harder to stick too or calories might get way too low because who wants to eat lots of plain protein ifywim.

jomojo

02-06-2010, 05:45 PM

Wow snez i saw this the other day on today tonight and really liked the look of it. Personally the free days on bt mess me up so i think this is great... i always do low fat anyway (probably been programmed into me but i know its the only way I lose weight) i love that you can have dairy and the oat bran... keep us posted on how you are going and i may be joining you very soon!

Oh and everyone on every diet differ... there is no one size fits all solution so others opinions are irrelavant... its what works for you... noone is right noone is wrong we are all just different! even hubby said go buy the book after he saw it so for me thats a plus!

Anyway just keep on keeping on!!!

Daisy

02-06-2010, 06:36 PM

Oh and everyone on every diet differ... there is no one size fits all solution so others opinions are irrelavant... its what works for you... noone is right noone is wrong we are all just different!
Anyway just keep on keeping on!!!

VERY wise words their Jomojo :) I totally agree with your statement .

I am right behind you Snez and Tweety and wish you the very best with your Dukan journey ......you go girls :)

janal

03-06-2010, 07:48 AM

Thanks for all the info on this diet Snez. :D
I think it's great to see what it's all about without having to go out and buy the book.
People can make up their own minds wheather the diet would suit them or not and it would be good to see discussion on the pro's & con's.
There are a few of us struggling at the moment so sometimes we have to try something different to get anywhere with our weight loss.
You can look at a diet & say I can do this or I can't but in the end we take a bit from all diets that work for us and make up our own. This is just another diet that lends ideas to what I could do to make our own eating pattern work to our advantage and shows me another way to maintain my weight if I ever get to goal.
Good luck with it, I would so love to see you reach goal this year - you so deserve it. :D

Tweety

03-06-2010, 07:55 AM

I survived day 1 of attack...but then I am use to protein only days being on BT for the last 4 months...the struggle will be keeping up the PO days for 5 days straight...and NO free day..but thinking back now, I think the free days were my down fall. No self control.
Thats why I thought I should give this a go for a month as it is a little more restricted and no free day to sabotage myself.

Will keep you posted of my progress

jomojo

03-06-2010, 11:56 AM

Tweety that is exactly what i thought in BT. In all honesty if we had self control not many of us would be here lol. Im exactly the same as you go completely wild on free days then gain almost all the weight back very discouraging! Im definately considering this... I will sit back for a couple of weeks and see how you girls go...as you both have struggled (just as i have )unlike some lucky people that seem to just cruise thru it all... Janal i agree with you we must take a little of each diet to work out what works for us!

What really annoys my is these personal trainer type people who say its easy just eat this way and do this and tadaaa! well unless you have actually been overweight you cannot know the struggle of losing weight! Thats why its so good here, we all understand that feeling... keep on keeping on people!!!!

Snez

03-06-2010, 12:25 PM

Thanks.
I've posted an extract of the book on first page at the top. Its about how Dr Dukan sees fat which I don't agree with.

Sherrie

03-06-2010, 12:26 PM

As you know I am not a huge BT fan but from my reading the reasoning behind their free days is an attempt to help give your metabolism a boost after the previous low calorie days. Because BT has the rules that it does the calories can get quite low and hence the free days.

Chelles

03-06-2010, 02:26 PM

How do you know when to stop the PO days?
:)

Think this might be me for the next month

and is it ONLY 1.5 ltr water? or AT LEAST 1.5ltr water?! :D

jomojo

03-06-2010, 02:32 PM

Yep im hopping on the bandwagon.... i think i will try it...Sue is it worth getting the book (ie is there alot more info than you could cover in the intro recipes etc) i need to prepare get the meats and the oat bran. So come monday i will start the attack phase... im determined this time!!!!

Snez

03-06-2010, 02:36 PM

The average Protein only is about 5 days. If you have over 40 pounds (18kg) to lose he recommends 7-10 days. But I think 5 days should suffice or whatever someone can manage. Its just a quick way to get to ketosis.
The water is atleast 1.5L - they want you to drink a lot because of the high protein you are eating.

Snez

03-06-2010, 02:39 PM

The book has some recipes and some more extra info. There is a recipe link on the first page of this post. Its up to you if you get the book. I believe Target has it for $19. Take a look if they have stock in Target. I got mine from Amazon.

Chelles

03-06-2010, 02:40 PM

also....

Why oatbran? is it a fibre thing? cause I cant have it.. could I have psyllium or similar instead? :)

Snez

03-06-2010, 02:51 PM

Tweety

04-06-2010, 07:34 AM

The oatbran is a fibre thing. The oatbran is also used in some of the recipes. I suppose you could use psyllium.

Oat bran galette:
1.5 tbs oat bran (2 tbs on cruise phase)
1.5 tbs non fat yogurt (or low fat)
1 egg
little salt
mix. cook 2-3 mins each side. Like a pancake.

(You can eat that daily to get your fibre or just put oatbran in yoghurt).

That Galette is really yum with some cottage cheese on top.

day 2 down...3 more to go on attack. Already down 1 kg??? not sure how. Wasn't expecting a huge loss...don't get me wrong...I am not complaining....just surprised.

Scribe

04-06-2010, 11:07 AM

Thanks for posting all that info again, Snez :)

Dukan looks interesting too... a lot of similarities to BT, but more flexible with low fat yoghurts and cheeses, etc. I think this would allow for more interesting menus and reduce the boredom factor that I feel with BT.

For myself, I was actually gagging when I was reading about 5 days (or more!) of protein only ~ seriously, after 5 1/2 weeks on BT, the thought of PO makes me feel sick. I do it though, cos I know it's working for me.

It does seem really low fat and, like many others, I've been conditioned to avoid fats like the plague, so I think this diet would suit a lot of people.

However, over the past few weeks on BT I have added fats to my diet. I'm shocked that I can drink coffee with cream and still lose weight! And I'm having a love affair with frying stuff in coconut oil (instead of the measly squirt of cooking spray I've been using for years!)

I'll be watching this space to see how you all go with Dukan ~ and good luck! I know what it's like to struggle... I hope it works for you! :D

Snez

04-06-2010, 01:19 PM

Tweety, yeh for the 1kg loss.

Scribe, keep up that affair with the coconut oil!

On Dukan, I am adding a touch of olive oil or butter to cook with and not dry-frying as suggested.

queenofwands

05-06-2010, 08:42 AM

Hey Jomojo

I had to laugh about the personal trainer comment - I'm a PT, and still I know what you mean. I did my training with 16 to 20 year olds and constantly came up against this mindset.

They all thought it was just a case of "just" do this or that & if you don't then you must be a glutton, or lazy or something.

In one way they are correct: IF you can do EXACTLY as the diet doctors say then yes it always works (Cushing's disease notwithstanding) but once the days of teenage levels of human growth hormone are behind you ALL of us are pushing sh*t uphill with a stick. :D

Love to all
Donna, Queen of Wands
The Worlds Oldest and Fattest Personal Trainer :D:D:D

cooks

05-06-2010, 12:13 PM

Hey Snez, well done for posting all that info! I love how we can see all the different ways of eating. It is sooo helpful :) Even if it helps just one person! with this Im sure it will help more than one!

cheers
C

05-06-2010, 09:22 PM

I had planned to get into "K" before staring the Dukan diet but have had mainly PO for last three days with a little fat, am still not in "K" (unless sticks are off) and constantly hungry so think I am not. I have had the oatbran and yogurt for breakfast too. I really like the oatbran with a bit of hot water nuked into porridge and the yogurt has been the no fat:( type.

If I am still not in "K" tomorrow I think I will make some low carb cheesecake and have that for a day as normally uping the fat gets me in "K" faster....really not getting there with PO.
Otherwise all if fine.

Personally I would recommend getting into "K: before starting as it will cut the hunger and make the PO days easier to start.:)

Snez

05-06-2010, 10:16 PM

I've run out of my K sticks ages ago so not sure if I'm in K. I've lost my appetite and not constantly hungry like when I am eating a lot of carbs.

05-06-2010, 10:26 PM

If you are not hungry I would say you are in "K" now then.:D It makes things so much easier to follow I think.:)

Snez

06-06-2010, 11:39 AM

Its nice not to want to eat everything carby in sight!

Daisy

06-06-2010, 11:57 AM

Its nice not to want to eat everything carby in sight!

That is exactly how I am at the moment since introducing carbs back into my diet , and I feel DREADFUL ......really really dreadful .http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/familyart/Bloated-pig-rastersized.jpg I am so hoping that the new diet works as well for me as this one is working for you . I think it sounds great , the fact that you are not craving is wonderful . All the very best to everyone doing it :)

Snez

06-06-2010, 06:42 PM

LOL! Cute Pig.
Good luck Daisy.

Snez

06-06-2010, 09:32 PM

I don't think that spaghetti squash is listed as an allowed vegie on Dukan but its low carb. Has anyone used it to make pasta. Thought I could make some with a low-fat tomatoey, garlic sauce. Some pics of it and instructions.
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/cooking/a/spagsquash.htm
http://www.recipetips.com/images/glossary/s/squash_spaghetti.jpg

Tweety

07-06-2010, 05:59 AM

Snez..I remember my grandfather cooking these when I was young. If I remember correctly the "spaghetti" is quite delicate. Like the texture of pumpkin when roasted...but he may have over cooked it.
It would taste divine in that sauce you're talking about. Now you just have to fine them

Sherrie

07-06-2010, 08:55 AM

I have some seeds ready to go once summer rolls around again :)

Daisy

07-06-2010, 09:09 AM

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/4mommajones/19.jpg

Good morning Sue , all the very best with weigh in day today :)

Tweety I see that you have lost 1.3 kilos so far , well done to you :)

I am starting my new diet today and am excited but nervous .

Tweety

07-06-2010, 09:12 AM

Thanks Daisy.

You will do great:D and good luck

Snez

07-06-2010, 11:18 AM

Tweety great loss of 1.3kg - I managed a loss of 1.2kg last week.

Good luck with your diet Daisy.

Sherrie do you plant the spaghetti squash in summer? I wonder if woolies has spaghetti squash?? Do you think its too starchy? 1 cup (155g) = 10g carb (which 2g is fibre).

Sherrie

07-06-2010, 11:24 AM

I would plant them just before in spring I would think. Never grown them before. I have never seen spaghetti squash before but I finally found some seeds at a farmers market once.

07-06-2010, 01:29 PM

I can see light pink today, gee it has been about a week getting to "K", I don't feel hungry today and have more energy so am happy. Tomorrow I will start Dukan properly...there is no way I could have started it without being in ketosis, this week has been hard enough for some reason.:)

2kellen2

07-06-2010, 02:58 PM

Hi,

Thank you for posting on this diet. I just got the supplement from the paper to read up on it & wondered if anyone on here had posted on it & yes you have.

I was on BT but like others & found this did not work for me even though I did not go overboard on the free days. This would be better for me without the free days & I can see combining the both a bit would happen.

Good luck to everyone for giving this a try, we have to find what suits us.

kel

Chelles

08-06-2010, 07:09 AM

Maree67

08-06-2010, 07:25 AM

OMG I love this diet!

Not only have I got down to below 64 kg (will change my ticker), I am feeling skinnier and my jeans (that were originally so tight I didn't want to sit down in them and had to wear baggy top to cover the top of the jean overspill... are now COMFY... I even lazed about in them all night last night (normally it would be straight home to get them OFF)!

WOOP WOOP

Well done Chelles :) So how many consecutive days did you do the PO for? Are you doing the po day and vege day alternately or 5 and 5?

Big difference below 64 hey! I am stuck atm. I am considering doing it too sigh, but I really struggle with PO days. I need the right head space.

Well done :)

Cheers Maree

Chelles

08-06-2010, 07:34 AM

Thats the thing - I haven't even been super good because we had a long weekend and had lots of family here :)

so I did PO thursday, all of friday, and most of saturday... only had a few veg with dinner on sat, all of sunday was po bar dinner again (blimmen dinners out lol)
Had veges yesterday (just one cup of veg soup)
so today is po
as will be tomor and thurs.

Then veges back into my diet on friday methinks :)

then i will see what happens, I might do 4 days po during the week then 3 vege+protein days over the weekend and see how that goes. :)

Tweety

08-06-2010, 08:19 AM

Well done Chelles.

I agree...this diet rocks..My first week will be up tomorrow and I have already lost 1.3kgs.
I only did 5 days PO..probably should have done 7, but I really needed my veggies. I'm now doing alternate days for the rest of this month.
I only started this because I was stalling...that and the no self control on free days. This has helped get my head in the right place again.
Now to keep it up the whole month

Chelles

08-06-2010, 08:25 AM

I didn't really overeat on my free days... my free days tended to last all weekend though (from friday night to sunday ROFL) so I was sticking at around the same weight constantly! :rolleyes:

I love the dairy we are allowed too :) I love yoghurt! ;)

Snez

08-06-2010, 01:39 PM

I might do 4 days po during the week then 3 vege+protein days over the weekend and see how that goes. :)

I'm doing 1/1 but was thinking of 5/2, I like the sound of 4/3.

Chelles

08-06-2010, 01:46 PM

Yeah I figured that way its stick-to-able cause its the same days on the same weeks and can become just a habit :)

jomojo

08-06-2010, 06:12 PM

Wow seems like you girls are going great guns!!! I started first day of po today and so far so good!!! hope i get the same results as you girls!~

jomojo

08-06-2010, 06:16 PM

jomojo

09-06-2010, 04:33 PM

Not sure if anyone has found this one or posted it but dukan recipes

http://recipes.sparkpeople.com/cookbooks.asp?cookbook=231611

Snez

10-06-2010, 11:22 AM

Thanks for the link. There is a few recipes I haven't seen.

Scribe

11-06-2010, 11:34 AM

I love the dairy we are allowed too :) I love yoghurt! ;)

I love yoghurt too, Chelles! I'm still new to this low carb game and just assumed that yoghurt was a no-no, especially when I looked at the carb content on the labels.

But I've just been reading an interesting article (exract below) and am going to start including yoghurt in my diet too... damn BT and the rules! :D

http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html

"A bacterium called "lactobacillus" is a very important conditioner of the human gastrointestinal tract. You can take pills, but again, we feel it is better to use natural sources. It is much more delicious to take your bacteria in live culture kefir, yogurt, or buttermilk. Any of these three products can, and SHOULD, be used as part of your daily diet."

"IN THIS CASE ONLY, AND WITH THESE FOODS ONLY, don't count the carbohydrate on the package labels. Why not?

The problem with the stated carbohydrate content on the packages of fermented food products arises because the government makes manufacturers count the carbohydrates of food "by difference." That means they measure everything else including water and ash and fats and proteins. Then "by difference," they assume everything else is carbohydrate. This works quite well for most foods including milk.

However, to make yogurt, buttermilk and kefir, the milk is inoculated with the lactic acid bacteria. These bacteria use up almost all the milk sugar called "lactose" and convert it into lactic acid. It is this lactic acid which curds the milk and gives the taste to the product. Since these bacteria have "eaten" most of the milk sugar by the time you buy it (or make it yourself.) At the time you eat it, how can there be much carbohydrate left? It is the lactic acid which is counted as carbohydrate.

Therefore, you can eat up to a half cup of plain yogurt, buttermilk, or kefir and only count 2 grams of carbohydrates (Dr. Goldberg has measured this in his own laboratory.) One cup will contain about 4 grams of carbohydrates. Daily consumption colonizes the intestine with these bacteria to handle small amounts of lactose in yogurt (or even sugar-free ice cream later.)"

Thanks ladies, I enjoy reading about your progress and it sounds like you are all having success with Dukan. Good luck! :D

Jezabel

11-06-2010, 11:47 AM

So I did my food shop last night, and I'm starting today :)

Chelles

11-06-2010, 11:49 AM

Thanks Scribe :)

Yep yoghurt is delish! though I suppose the carb content would be significantly higher once you add certain fruits etc.

Chelles

11-06-2010, 11:50 AM

How exciting Jezabel :D Are you looking forward to it?

charliekat

11-06-2010, 02:40 PM

Tweety

11-06-2010, 03:14 PM

Hi Snez, I too am a BT'er and I've been reading up on Dukan. I want to give it a go. When you say you add more fats what are some things you add? Thanks so much for posting all the information. Will let you know if I decide to take the journey.
Cheers

I don't know what Snez is doing, but I'm still using olive oil for cooking or a little cream in scamble eggs. cream in coffee.

jomojo

11-06-2010, 09:35 PM

Has everyone here looked at the facebook page for dukan diet (the one with the book cover as profile pic) it has loads of recipes in the discussion section!

charliekat

13-06-2010, 12:27 PM

Tweety

13-06-2010, 06:26 PM

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to post what they would eat on a typical protein only day and a protein + veg day. Also is there a set time to eat like BT and do you have to weigh protein ie 50g 100g?
Many Thanks :):):)

My "normal" protein only day would be
Breakfast: bacon or ham with a poached egg
Oat bran cookies
if I'm still hungry I would also eat yoghurt
Lunch would be tuna or chicken
Dinner what ever meat the family is having.
You don't need to weigh any protein..you can eat as much as you like and when ever you like
If I get hungry during the day (not that it happens often) I have boiled eggs on standby

Protein and veg day would be similar but with veggies added. Breakfast I would add mushrooms and onion. Lunch would be salad veggies and dinner would be cauliflower and broccoli. I always have boiled eggs on stand by in case I get hungry.

After doing BT for 4 months I am use to being prepared for the day.
I hope this helps

charliekat

13-06-2010, 07:19 PM

My "normal" protein only day would be
Breakfast: bacon or ham with a poached egg
Oat bran cookies
if I'm still hungry I would also eat yoghurt
Lunch would be tuna or chicken
Dinner what ever meat the family is having.
You don't need to weigh any protein..you can eat as much as you like and when ever you like
If I get hungry during the day (not that it happens often) I have boiled eggs on standby

Protein and veg day would be similar but with veggies added. Breakfast I would add mushrooms and onion. Lunch would be salad veggies and dinner would be cauliflower and broccoli. I always have boiled eggs on stand by in case I get hungry.

Thanks so much Tweety, I have been doing BT since October so it doesn't sound much different in the planning of it. How long did you do the detox (attack) for? Are you finding this easier than BT? So you can have whatever amounts of no fat yoghurt and cheeses as well and they don't have to be weighed and you can eat whenever you want? Also (I hope this is right) after the attack phase you do one day protein only, one day protein and veg followed by protein only again, then the veg with it the next day? Sorry for all the questions but the book is sold out in our area and I'm trying to get my head around it.
Cheers and thanks for your help.

After doing BT for 4 months I am use to being prepared for the day.
I hope this helps

charliekat

13-06-2010, 07:23 PM

Thanks so much Tweety, I have been doing BT since October so it doesn't sound much different in the planning of it. How long did you do the detox (attack) for? Are you finding this easier than BT? So you can have whatever amounts of no fat yoghurt and cheeses as well and they don't have to be weighed and you can eat whenever you want? Also (I hope this is right) after the attack phase you do one day protein only, one day protein and veg followed by protein only again, then the veg with it the next day? Sorry for all the questions but the book is sold out in our area and I'm trying to get my head around it.
Cheers and thanks for your help.

Snez

13-06-2010, 08:02 PM

I'm doing it like Tweety. Adding a bit of olive oil when cooking, buying as low-fat as I can find but not getting the 0% fat - not that I can find it. Not overly stressing on the fat.

CharlieKat, the first page of this thread gives you all the info on Dukan diet. You can eat up to 1L of no-fat yoghurt. I'm only having about a cup. You can't have hard cheeses just cream cheese - low fat. I'm finding it easy. Eat as much as you can but they want you to have atleast 3 meals even if not so hungry.
After attack you can do 1/1 - 1 day protein only (PP) followed by 1 day protein and veg (PV).
The recommendation was to do 5/5 - but Dr Dukan changed that saying similar results with 5/5 and 1/1 and he felt 1/1 easier to do.

charliekat

13-06-2010, 08:13 PM

Thanks for that Snez, what would your typical PP and PV look like, if you wouldn't mind posting it. Thanks so much for your advice. Also is cottage cheese allowed, couldn't live without that!

Tweety

15-06-2010, 07:14 AM

Thanks for that Snez, what would your typical PP and PV look like, if you wouldn't mind posting it. Thanks so much for your advice. Also is cottage cheese allowed, couldn't live without that!

Cottage cheese is allowed.

I did the attack phase for 5 days...really should have done 6 or 7 I think..only because I still have so much to loose...on average it is for 5 days for most people

Chelles

15-06-2010, 08:16 AM

Hey charliekat there is actually a website that tells you how long you are supposed to do it for.. mine was 2 days!

I am going to do another 'restart' as I ate crappy food voer the weekend (Was moving house and setting up for garage sale etc so had nothin in the house to eat and ended up making bad choices! - i must say i wish I wasn't GF - it would be much easier!!)

Though I sold my scales so dunno if I put any on ROFL!!!!!!!! :D

Jumped on mums scales this am and was 64 so am happy to base it from that and move downhill :D

Need to do protein only tomorrow as had veges this morning :D

Daisy

15-06-2010, 09:29 AM

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/angwbc/Good%20Morning/th796f480e.gif

All the best girls :)

Jezabel

15-06-2010, 09:52 AM

well i'm on day five of attack phase and struggling a little, but I only need to get through the rest of today :)

hadn't seen any results thus far until this morning, when the scales dropped 1.2 from the day before 58.7 down to 57.5... very happy with that :D

Chelles

15-06-2010, 09:55 AM

:D Wow Jezabel you are only little!

you prob can add some veg in today. The smaller you are the less PO days you do.. and at 63kg I was only to do 2! So if you are struggling then go for it with the veg! :D :D

Tweety

16-06-2010, 05:47 AM

2 weeks into this diet and have lost 3 kgs exactly. I'm liking this.
May even keep doing this past 1 month, but will see how I go

Jezabel

16-06-2010, 09:03 AM

finished attack phase... can't wait to have some veggies tonight!
went ot make my lunch in the crib room today and all salad stuff was frozen :mad:
the one day I can eat it and its all rubbish .. typical.
Oh well, sticking to it, hopefully get some good results this way :)

Tweety

16-06-2010, 09:14 AM

Snez

16-06-2010, 09:35 AM

2 weeks into this diet and have lost 3 kgs exactly. I'm liking this.
May even keep doing this past 1 month, but will see how I go

I'm liking this diet too. Finding it easy to stick to even during stressful exam time build up. My love handles are getting smaller and feeling better. I find I'm looking forward to weigh day every Monday!

nunge

16-06-2010, 09:43 AM

Hi there girls:D
I decided to jump on the Dukan bandwagon as well to try and give me the motivation to lose weight.
Day one today so lets do it:D

Snez

16-06-2010, 09:50 AM

Good luck. I hope you find success with it.:)

Tweety

16-06-2010, 09:58 AM

Good Luck nunge.

Chelles

16-06-2010, 01:02 PM

:D Lol i like your new picture tweety!

Goodluck Nunge!

Well even though my weight hasn't changed I HAVE been feeling skinnier and today I bought...

a 3 piece suit - pants and skirt in sz 8 and jacket in sz 6!

and a dress in sz 8 :D

Happy bunny!

kaylah

16-06-2010, 03:08 PM

hey guys!
Im thinkin of starting this maybe in a few days, once i go and get everything...I've just been checking up on it all and what i have to get ect first.

All of your stories sound great! And are very incouraging! That seems to be my biggest downfall is not having a buddy typa thing to go through it all with...So im hoping this will help :).....How do u guys stay on track when you cook for your partners/kids and all that?

And i cant seem to find anywhere, but i guess mince is an ok option for meat aswell?

So Looking forward to it!

Daisy

16-06-2010, 04:11 PM

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Hi there girls:D
I decided to jump on the Dukan bandwagon as well to try and give me the motivation to lose weight.
Day one today so lets do it:D:) Great news Nungee girl , I wish you all the very best with it . Just think how great you will feel this time next week :)

My love handles are getting smaller and feeling better. I find I'm looking forward to weigh day every Monday!
LOL Snez , that is how I know I am losing as well , when the handles get smaller :D

Well even though my weight hasn't changed I HAVE been feeling skinnier and today I bought...

a 3 piece suit - pants and skirt in sz 8 and jacket in sz 6!

and a dress in sz 8 :D

Happy bunny!

Happy bunny indeed , you must feel on top of the world .well done Chelles I am thrilled for you . I have a cruise booked in December and my biggest joy would be to go clothes shopping for size 10-12 by then ...fingers crossed :D

Tweety

16-06-2010, 05:22 PM

And i cant seem to find anywhere, but i guess mince is an ok option for meat aswell?

So Looking forward to it!

I have mince...having tonight actually...kids are having spaghetti. I take half of the spag meat sauce into a different pot and add curry powder and veggies if it's a PV day and there's mine and hubbies...kids will have normal pasta.
We are a very carnivorous family, so there is always meat at dinner...PO days I don't have anything else and PV days I have veggies as well..not really that hard

Chelles

17-06-2010, 07:07 AM

You can do it daisy... You seem to be going great guns on thd! :D

Snez

17-06-2010, 12:30 PM

Chelles you must have heavy bones to be a size 6 and 8 at 63 something kg. At about that weight I think I'm about a 12. A size 10 around 55kg.

rose_willow

17-06-2010, 01:27 PM

Tweety

17-06-2010, 01:49 PM

I am starting the diet tomorrow for the entire reason that you get to eat yoghurt.

Before starting atkins I was a big yoghurt fan - breakfast and snacks! If a low carb diet allows me to eat yoghurt then I am in diet heaven.

I bought some forme and Nestle diet yoghurts but they still have 9g of carbs but have no sugar in them. Is this okay to eat? Just seems so weird that you are able to eat yoghurt when it has carbs in it...

I buy the same yoghurt, but only eat it in the morning...having done BT before we could have carbs but only in the am..so kinda keeping to that.

Becuae Dukan is a low fat as well as low carb I think the yoghurt "fits" the low fat part

Snez

17-06-2010, 03:10 PM

Did you know you could have stewed rhubarb on the PV days of Dukan. I got some today. $7.99 per kg - I got $2.50 worth. Cut it up, added a bit of water, little bit of splenda, cinnamon and simmered until soft. I let it get cold and served it with a dollop of yoghurt. Really nice. I've got about 3 serves left of the rhubarb. I only have small amounts. You are allowed 100g rhubarb. I bought just over 300g and will be splitting it into 4 portions - so getting less than 100g per serve.

Daisy

17-06-2010, 07:21 PM

nunge

17-06-2010, 07:49 PM

I looked at the yoghurt today but i cant get my head wrapped around the fact that we can eat it either.I looked at how many carbs there was and kept thinking that will put me out of K. Still got atkins brain im afraid.
Cant find the fruche either, is it still made in Australia?

charliekat

17-06-2010, 08:32 PM

Hey everyone, if you are interested there are two really good groups on Facebook for Dukan. One is English and the other is an Aussie support group. They have really good ideas, similar to this site but they have huge recipe sections, which I have found to be very useful. Just putting it out there for anyone that wants to check it out.
Cheers

Chelles

19-06-2010, 06:07 AM

hey snez I am defnitely NOT a size six.. was just the jacket that fit from jacqui e.. am an 8 though everything in the shop I tried on was an 8 and my size ten clothes are baggy... a friend said something similar she weighs about the same but is a 12

Though I think because I have a small waist it helps! The only problem I had with some of the shirts was getting them done up across my boobs :P

Tweety

21-06-2010, 07:55 AM

Had a strange weekend. So busy that I forgot what day I was doing...eg PO or PV days...so I'm not sure were I am at the moment. I might have to do weekday's PV and weekends PO maybe...I keep forgetting which day I'm doing otherwise.

Anyone else having this issue..or is it just me being forgetful??

Doing a PV day today

Snez

21-06-2010, 10:12 AM

I've got a diary where I write my daily weight and if I'm on PV or PP. Its good otherwise I would forget. I'm trying to stick to 1/1 but sometimes I may do two PV days or two PP days in a row. I like PV days much better as more variety.
I had some basmati rice yesterday - about 90g cooked portion. It was really nice with the curry beef. Rice is not allowed but I felt like some. Not sure if I will do PP and PV all the way to goal. I'm thinking of introducing 1sl bread and 1 fruit earlier as I believe it would be better for me to lose weight whilst eating those foods (so I don't automatically associate these foods as causing weight gain). I think I'll wait until I've got 10kg left to lose. I'll see, still really thinking about it.

Edit** - I've decided to leave the fruit for a while and to include the bread now. Twice per week only and specifically on the two days that I do resistance training.

Tweety

01-07-2010, 07:19 AM

Weigh in day was yesterday..and for the week I gained 100gms:confused:
A bit annoyed, but I did have little cheats over the weekend, so I really shouldn't be too surprised by it.
Will have to just be a little more strict with myself. Going out to the movies tonight, so will probably cheat again tonight..will just try not to make it a big slip up:D.

Snez

01-07-2010, 09:32 AM

I've been a bit naughty past two days so I'm going to do 2 PPs in a row to get back on track.

Sherrie

20-07-2010, 04:36 PM

How's everybody going?

Snez

22-07-2010, 11:13 AM

I've kind of been off it during school holidays.

jojoamethyst

23-07-2010, 10:35 AM

no excuses now?

Snez

02-08-2010, 02:16 PM

I've kind of gone off the Dukan diet. I am just eating low carb with teeny amounts of fruit like rhubarb, strawberries and blueberries. Also a slice of bread a few times week. I felt the Dukan diet helped to get me started again but I didn't really like buying low fat or no fat dairy products because of the artificial sweeteners. I'm removing artificial sweeteners from my diet apart from occasional xylitol if I make some type of dessert.
Thinking about it - the artificial sweeteners could have contributed to the aura and migraines I had for 4 days (I think it was 4, need to check my diary) in a row. So that's why I'm ditching them.

Veryfit

23-08-2010, 09:57 PM

Hi Snez;

I'm new to this forum but was delighted to see your messages on Dukan. He's 'hot stuff' in France. I think that everybody in France has heard of him or tried the diet... or at least knows someone who has tried it. He started only by word of mouth about 7 years ago and is now just the hottest thing about town. I have a few friends who have done it properly and seriously and have had tremendous results - and KEPT THE WEIGHT OFF. That's the main thing.

To cut a long story short, yes it's probably pretty bad for your body, yes it's restrictive, yes it's not the most recommended way to eat but it works. What Dr. Dukan says himself is that it's a short period of time and he absolutely stresses to use a multi vitamine whilst doing his diet. He also stresses exercise and good sleep. I tried it last year a short time and lost a couple of kilos which I never put on again. I've now decided to start it up again and do it properly. I'm now on my SECOND DAY :eek: determined to loose 10kilos before running a marathon next spring. Wish me luck!!

Veryfit

jojoamethyst

26-08-2010, 10:07 AM

Hi Veryfit
Good luck. How are you doing with it now?

Bradders

11-10-2010, 11:07 AM

Wondering how you guys are doing on the Dukan Diet??

getting back on the low carb bandwagon and still tossing up between this and BT

Snez

11-10-2010, 03:04 PM

I thought Dukan was great to kick start weight loss because of the low-fat aspect. I found with just doing low carb I tended to eat too much fat which ended up increasing calories a lot and weight loss was very slow. With Dukan Weight loss was really good. I also increased my cardio which helped burn fat. Now I am just low carbing but being mindful of the fat whilst I am losing body fat.

Bradders

12-10-2010, 09:20 AM

Decided on Dukan, Day one down..

have to say i am enjoying the yoghurt and oath bran for breakfast..

felt horrible yesterday had a terrible headache.. think i drunk way to much water and was in bed at 7:30!

Wish i could only weigh myself once a week but find it interesting how my weight fluctuates day-to-day

Chelles

12-10-2010, 05:55 PM

welcome (back) bradders :)

Good luck with Dukan. I find it kick starts your weight loss with some serious weight dropping so thats good.. also great for getting you off a plateau if you are on another diet ;)

Bradders

13-10-2010, 09:51 AM

Cheers Chelles!

Into Day 3.. feel pretty good actually and feeling like i'm getting a bit more energy back which is fantastic i'm sick of feeling lathargic..

Finally figured out why i was getting such horrible headaches when i was doing BT i was drinking waay to much water..

1.7kg down in 2 days is pretty good (even if it is water) I even managed to avoid the chips i got served with dinner last night and just ate the chicken.. go me!

Chelles

13-10-2010, 07:11 PM

l love when you manage something like that.. seems so small but it is so tempting when they are right in front of you!

Bradders

14-10-2010, 09:05 AM

Yeah it feels like a little win! which is great.

Day 3 done and dusted.. jumping on the scales this morning i've dropped 2.5KG seeing as i've got so much weight to lose i'll try and do PP for 7 days, also that's what the true weight thing on the dukan website said to do for me..

Finally brought the book yesterday too.

Snez

14-10-2010, 09:10 AM

Well done Bradders!

Chelles

14-10-2010, 06:24 PM

awesome work! :D

Bradders

17-10-2010, 09:07 PM

Managed to survive the weekend on PP go us! our one fall was a Skinny Chai latte while we were getting groceries.. ah well.. not a major..

7 Days of PP down.. and weight down me 4.1Kg's and wife is about 3.5Kgs i think..

looking forward to some veggies.. but have found the PP pretty easy.

Chelles

17-10-2010, 09:28 PM

Wow awesome work Bradders!!! :eek: what was the starting weight for you both?

I find when I eat protein only it becomes easy to just not bother cooking veg LOL! (so lazy).

Bradders

18-10-2010, 09:17 AM

Wow awesome work Bradders!!! :eek: what was the starting weight for you both?

I find when I eat protein only it becomes easy to just not bother cooking veg LOL! (so lazy).

i started at 120.1 and she started and 121.3..

I've already found that.. last night it seemed like so much more work cooking vegies and protein for today.. LOL ( not lazy just um practical?)

Chelles

18-10-2010, 06:43 PM

Wow.. thats so fantastic.. !!!

Lol.. and then you need to think of something interesting to do with them :rolleyes: ...

Bradders

19-10-2010, 09:00 AM

Yep like today is highly imaginative lunch of steamed Vegies and Protein.. how's the for imagination :D

deenalicious

19-10-2010, 04:22 PM

I started yesty...found the recipe book today in Big W which has enuf about the diet to get me thru!

Its ok if ur already in ketosis...well it seems ok so far...a few days of PO I might feel differently...I think really its about opening ur imagination to what you can cook with that ur allowed...

*crosses fingers*

deenalicious

19-10-2010, 06:06 PM

OMGOSH I just made the yummiest tuna pancakes....fluffy as a cloud and delish! With Ricotta and Philly and oat bran and eggs and pepper...then made a dressing with mint, yoghurt and lemon...to die for!

Chelles

19-10-2010, 08:47 PM

good work deena :D

Its easier if you can find something yummy to eat :D

Snez

20-10-2010, 08:08 AM

deenalicious

26-10-2010, 02:54 PM

ok Ive been on Attack for 7 days I my body is telling me ENOUGH...I need some salad and veg...I'm not hungry at all...I have no loss of energy...so...phase 2 starts today!

Fiasco

26-10-2010, 03:41 PM

deenalicious

26-10-2010, 05:43 PM

Wow Deena that's a long time to go without veggies!

Question: if I were to try a week of Dukan to bust through plateau, would I have to do the first phase of multiple PO days? Or could I just start with one PO day and alternate from there?

And is it detrimental to do one week on one program (i.e Dukan) and another on another (i.e BT)??

Yeah its a long time and Im feeling it today....so salad in a sec :)

Um if ur on a plateau a few days on PO would get you into ketosis faster...depends how much you have to lose I guess...its all low carb and in the 2nd phase of Dukan you're alternating PO and PV which essentially is adding carbs...but Im no expert sorry...I really think people find their own system with the umbrella of low carb eating that works for them...but thats just me :) good luck!

Chelles

26-10-2010, 08:43 PM

Wow Deena... I wish you were weighing so we could see the loss! :)

Well done! :)

deenalicious

26-10-2010, 08:48 PM

Chelles I don't think its a dramatic loss for some reason...clothes are a little looser...but I feel a gazillion % betterer....

We'll both know next Tuesday!

Chelles

26-10-2010, 09:09 PM

I hope its at least a decent one! *fingers crossed*

deenalicious

26-10-2010, 09:15 PM

me tooooooooo

groovy_gecko

11-12-2010, 07:55 PM

I have been watching this thread with interest but there haven't been any recent updates! Is this because nobody has had time to update or because this diet has not had the desired results? Just curious because I have been thinking about trying it.

deenalicious

12-12-2010, 10:22 AM

hey gecko...no I think we all update our own diaries...Im doing a um lol bastardised version of Dukan...not enough fat for me so I add more...and Ive had a few allergy problems so Ive switched things about a bit...plus Im dealing with a massive change in diabetic medication (because of weight loss and eating less carbs)...feel free to read my diary or ask me anything....but I think like most people we find what works for us personally...

I know for my own sanity I have recorded my eating at calorieking.com.au and aim to be between 1200-1500 .... it was just an experiment and I found I did actually eat that amount naturally most days...unlike most I only weigh every 6 weeks at my doctors surgery lol its slightly masochistic but i know how badly i react to 'no loss' so this way i really guarantee a good loss each time I weigh...

GregC

14-12-2010, 10:50 PM

I flicked through this book recently at a bookstore and I have to say, I would warn anybody off this diet if they wanted to lose weight and improve their health.

It was just full of those myths we keep hearing- we didn't evolve to eat much fat (even though paleo man likely had very high fat diet due to organ meat consumption), all that fat is bad for your heart, makes you fat, eat lots of vegies (even though their health benefits are vastly overstated) etc etc

I didn't see any evidence supporting these claims of his, and if I did I'd be very surprised as they contradict a whole heap of good quality studies which say the exact opposite in support of a low-carb high fat diet.

I've also read, but I admit I don't know about this, that protein must be eaten in certain proportions to fat, so eating lots of lean protein might not be a good idea. It certainly didn't play out well in the infamous Stefansson and Anderson 'all meat diet' (http://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2009/09/two-brave-men-who-ate-nothing-but-meat.html) experiment, everything went south when they removed fat from their diet.

Anybody recommending non-fat dairy 'foods' as somehow a healthier option clearly hasn't done their homework. We have decent research showing what a health disaster dairy products become once you strip away all the fat and Oatbran? The WORST part of the grain, singled out and added to your food? no thankyou! Eat starch like he recommends and you'll probably undo any gains you've made.

It just sounds so authoritarian and restrictive in it's nature like everything else dieters are force fed- eat this way, don't ask why just do it and if you fail it's your fault not because the diet is bogus.

Avoid the plague as far as I'm concerned!

Oh, and hello everybody :)

donkeybrook

15-12-2010, 12:20 AM

Sherrie

15-12-2010, 07:52 AM

Welcome Greg :)

Whats with all the people from Perth? e.g. just last night we had 3 register from Perth in the space of 1.5 hours. I swear I am going to rename this website A Pinch of Perth! :D

deenalicious

15-12-2010, 08:19 AM

lol Sherrie...well if it helps I'm a Sydney girl but i live in Perth...

Um about Dukan...what attracted me was the dairy...Id been on Atkins a for a couple of months and 1 litre of low fat dairy on Dukan has been a dream...I like the PO V PV days...it keeps things interesting....

I think if you judge any WOE on their extreme induction phase you're not getting a true idea of the eating style...most low carb WOE have a strict first part then they go on to incorporate a larger variety...

I'd be worried about anyone that followed any book about anything exactly as it was written...we are adults and ought to question...otherwise we're um stupid...reading most people's diaries here you quickly find out we have all adjusted our WOE to suit ourselves and our lifestyles...

Then again I did read the book not just flick through it...

GregC

15-12-2010, 06:01 PM

i agree with u totally on the fats and yes we do need to question and not just follow blindly. i think u will find that several of the dukan devotees on here agree with you on the fat issue and have added fats back in. my current weight is not a good example, BUT when i am eating fats and non carby vegies i lose the weight easily. hopefully i am about to ably demonstrate that.:rolleyes: one of my favourite books is by sally fallon (nourishing traditions). now there's a lady who talks sense and backs up her claims. are u following any particular regime? oh, and hello and welcome to you too!!:D

Yes the folk at WAPF make some good points about a lot of things, even though I don't agree with everything they say (particularly about drinking milk)

At the moment I eat the Paleo diet and try and restrict carbs where possible- but still cheat here and there :)

GregC

15-12-2010, 06:11 PM

Um about Dukan...what attracted me was the dairy...Id been on Atkins a for a couple of months and 1 litre of low fat dairy on Dukan has been a dream...I like the PO V PV days...it keeps things interesting....

Hi deenalicious, you might like to take a look at some of these articles and studies regarding low fat dairy products-

People who ate the most full-fat dairy had a 69% lower risk of cardiovascular death than those who ate the least. Otherwise stated, people who mostly avoided dairy or consumed low-fat dairy had more than three times the risk of dying of coronary heart disease or stroke than people who ate the most full-fat diary.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/04/full-fat-dairy-for-cardiovascular.html

Children who drank the most milk gained more weight, but the added calories appeared responsible. Contrary to our hypotheses, dietary calcium and skim and 1% milk were associated with weight gain, but dairy fat was not. Drinking large amounts of milk may provide excess energy to some children.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15939853

The Physicians' Health Study involving over 20,000 men with 11 years of follow-up found that all the increased risk of prostate cancer associated with dairy intake was attributable entirely to skimmed milk.[4]

An even larger study published 6 years later confirmed the Iowa results. In the Brigham and Women's Hospital Nurses' Health Study, in which more than 80,000 women participated, those who consumed just one or more servings of skimmed or low-fat milk products per day had a 32% higher risk of any type of ovarian cancer, and a 69% higher risk of the most widespread form — serous ovarian cancer — compared with women who had three or fewer servings monthly. Yet again, whole milk did not increase the risk.[9]

A study conducted at Harvard University Medical School, monitored 18,555 American women aged 24 to 42 between 1991 and 1999 found that the risk of anovulatory infertility, a form of infertility due to lack of egg release from the ovaries, is also increased in women who drink low-fat milks.[14]

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/unhealthy-food-4.html

And besides, I think low-fat dairy tastes awful! Full fat greek yoghurt is a delicacy for the connoisseur! even though I don't eat it anymore :mad:

groovy_gecko

15-12-2010, 08:51 PM

donkeybrook

15-12-2010, 10:14 PM

deenalicious

15-12-2010, 10:30 PM

um Greg I think my chances of getting prostate cancer are slim :)

I have had full blood work done and I'm 100% healthy...I no longer use any insulin and I'm losing weight at a healthy pace...I really don't think I need to defend my WOE in a thread that is dedicated to the WOE I'm doing...

groovy_gecko

15-12-2010, 10:55 PM

I'm sure that nobody knows the exact diet that will work for everyone or suit everyone. I know that I lost most of my weight while following a high protein, high fat way of eating.......however it no longer works for me so I tried body trim without success (free meal probably being my undoing), the diet most appealing to me is "The Metabolism Miracle Diet" however I can only maintain on it, not lose.

I am afraid of Xmas because I have family visiting and I think of all the wonderful recipes I would love to cook and eat but fear regaining a lot of my lost weight.

I want a diet where I can have meat, cheese and eggs on lightly toasted white bread and followed by ice cream and chocolate....not sure which diet this fits into!

I was surprised to see that Jenny Craig has been bought out by Nestle....should prove interesting!

deenalicious

15-12-2010, 11:09 PM

yup I agree...I lost over 30kg on Atkins then my nails started breaking and I didn't feel well...so I switched to Dukan...then I found out I had an extreme allergy to salicylic acids and that further reduced what I can eat at least while I'm doing an elimination diet...I just don't want to stop losing weight while I find out what I'm exactingly allergic to...

everyone has to make their own decisions about what they do and don't eat... people don't react the same way to the same foods...

groovy_gecko

15-12-2010, 11:14 PM

I envy the skinny women at work who can just take a sandwich and a piece of fruit for lunch and maintain their figures without being constantly starving.

If only I could have a sandwich for lunch and actually feel satisfied I would be very happy.

deenalicious

15-12-2010, 11:20 PM

GregC

17-12-2010, 05:46 PM

OK, just finishing day 4 on the attack phase of this diet and I have to admit that I find it much less enjoyable than when I am eating a protein and fat combination diet.

I lost 2 kg in the first 2 days but it's all back again today. The yoghurt is appealing but it really doesn't satisfy like a piece of cheese does. I feel tired and bored with the food. (mind you, I work in retail and it's Xmas so feeling tired is no real surprise!)

I'd sell my soul for a slab of rump steak with cheese melted on top right now!

then listen to what your body and eat some fat!

I think it's REALLY worth doing a bit of googling about what I mentioned before- about how fat protein need to be eaten in proportion to one another. I don't know much about this myself so I can't help you with any info sorry

GregC

17-12-2010, 05:52 PM

does paleo not include any dairy? just asking coz i love my full fat yoghurts, cheeses, milk in my coffee. and if i could access raw milk i would, but it's a big hassle. quite frankly, i am happy to eat mainly vegies, nuts, seeds, organic grass fed beef and lamb and the occasional bit of chicken and fish. i figure if the worst i do is have a bit of dairy here and there, then i am doing ok.:cool: and having said all that i DO respect everyone's right to make up their own minds, do their own thing if that's what works for them and learn from each other.:)

Paleo is dairy free, though some paleo people still use ghee and butter seeing as they are just fat and mostly devoid of dairy proteins.

As far as the neolithic foods which aren't allowed on the paleo diet are concerned, dairy is probably the least bad though some dairy foods are worse than others (cultured dairy is far better than milk for example). Unless you want to get fanatical about your diet or have distinct allegies then yoghurt and cheese is not something I would bother giving up!

There is a diet called the 'primal blueprint' which is very similar to the paleo diet but allows certain dairy products which I've described. It basically involves all the foods you've listed above.

GregC

17-12-2010, 05:54 PM

um Greg I think my chances of getting prostate cancer are slim :)

There is still the risk of an increased chance of ovarian cancer in woman. If you read the full article (i only posted a few snippets) there are some other risk factors involved with low-fat/non-fat dairy consumption as well.

deenalicious

17-12-2010, 09:25 PM

There is still the risk of an increased chance of ovarian cancer in woman. If you read the full article (i only posted a few snippets) there are some other risk factors involved with low-fat/non-fat dairy consumption as well.

I did say many times I've added fat...I red the entire book and then made a decision to add more fat...

just btw...google is just a search engine...a search engine does not sort the information (you can pay to have your page up higher in a search result or use meta data to do the same thing) ...anybody can make a webpage and therefore the information found via google can be written by anyone...anyone can say anything on a webpage...they can also say 'scientific studies say...' it does not make that true...

...using google to find information is the same as blindly walking around a newsagent...there is some good information but you have to sift very carefully...

...you can get cancer from mascara...blah blah blah I still wear make up

...you can also get hit crossing the street

it's really up to the individual to make a choice about what they are will to do to lose and maintain their weight loss...I won't be 'scared' into doing or not doing something...everyone has their own issues (physical health or other) they need to account for in a list of variables to come up with a plan that will work for them...the only person that knows all the variables is the person...and their doctor if they are honest with their doctor...

science changes daily...what was a firm belief 20 years ago in the scientific community could be totally debunked now...I don't subscribe to 'scare tactics'...our bodies are the most accurate tool for any judgement of what the fuel we are using is doing to our bodies...

GregC

17-12-2010, 11:34 PM

if the above is in relation to the article I posted- it's cites a number of large scale peer reviewed studies. It's not mere speculation or opinion.

:)

Sherrie

18-12-2010, 07:35 AM

Hey Greg, might pay to make a negatives thread like negatives on Dukan or negatives on low fat diets and just leave a link to it here and then those that want to discuss it or just lurk and have a look at what you posted will go there ifykwim.

lozislosing

04-04-2011, 02:20 PM

I see its been a little while since anyone has posted on here, but I was just wondering if anyone has followed the dukan diet plan and how it went for them??

lozislosing

04-04-2011, 02:27 PM

I see its been a little while since anyone has posted on here, but I was just wondering if anyone has followed the dukan diet plan and how it went for them??

groovy_gecko

05-04-2011, 10:14 AM

I have restarted the Dukan Diet, and in 2 weeks I have broken through a plateau that has lasted for more than 6 months. I'm not having zero fat but keeping it quite low. So far I haven't bothered with the oat bran.

I really would have liked to have found a diet that reduced my weight while being more generous with allowed foods (and fat) but although I tried quite a few of them, nothing seemed to work for me. That being said, when I reach my goal weight I will not be following Dukan but probably something more along the lines of the Primal Blueprint as a maintenance plan, because I know from experience that I can comfortably maintain on that way of eating.

barbie

25-05-2011, 12:08 PM

i am on dukan diet 8th day ,i did 6 days protein,now alternating veg and meat or fish,next day all protein,i feel great and have lost 5kg,have lost all cravings for sweet food and wine,wine has always been my downfall i love a glass or 2 most nights,but not at the moment,will loss this weight this time!!!!!! thanks to all who helped me with the quark question

JulieH

18-06-2011, 01:22 PM

Hi I have not been on the forum for a while.
I did BT with sucess, and then was bad for a while and could not make myself get back on BT and now I have weight to lose again.

The thing that got me interested in dukan was dairy, being able to have yoghurt.:D:D

I only have the dukan recipe book (the diet book is on its way via ebay:D)at the moment and have been reading the forums on the internet.

So far I am on day 5 of attack and feel great with no problems. I just love having dairy.:D

I am not sure if I am following it right (I did have a pork chop the other night, grilled with the fat chopped off....but I have to use up what meat I have in the freezer:))

I can't wait to try the Diet Coke Chicken recipe tonight.:D:cool:

Snez

18-06-2011, 08:29 PM

Try to limit the artificial sweeteners. Don't really like the sound of diet coke chicken. Diet coke has aspartame and wouldn't the cooking (heat) activate the aspartame more? Think I read somewhere that the American soldiers had crates of diet coke heating up in the sun and it was really bad for them.

JulieH

19-06-2011, 08:27 AM

The Diet Coke Chicken, was yumo! The Diet Coke condensed down into a sort of barbecue sauce, and the chicken was tender as.

Sherrie

19-06-2011, 04:32 PM

You can't heat aspartame as it becomes toxic. I would cook the chicken in lemon juice or something else acidic instead.

optimistic

03-07-2011, 05:31 PM

I have had no luck here in Australia finding the recommended variety of oat bran. Do you know where to find one that works ok here? Thanks

JulieH

03-07-2011, 06:14 PM

I am just using the Woolworth's Select tradition rolled oats.

luckyrangi

05-07-2011, 10:40 PM

Hi I am new here and just wanted to advise on my experience with the Dukan Diet. I am an avid supporter. Since having my kids at a later age I have gradually put on weight and with my height it was not as obvious until I finally hit 121 kg. I realised that I had to change things so that I could set a better example for my girls (2 and 3 y/o) when they get older.
I had always been on the heavier side and done all sorts of diets etc long JC, WW which really didn't do that much for me only if I did heavy duty exercise like long distance swimming or running which is not something I can or want to do nowdays as I near my 50's. I got quite excited with the Gabriel Method and believe that he was on the right path and found Gillian McKeith(You are what you eat) similar in alot of her ideas to the Gabriel Method. Though I was feeling better inside I still was struggling to lose much weight and found this frustrating. The problem I found afterwards was that I was still allowed foods that were stopping me lose the weight.
I was told about the Dukan diet and bought the book. I was really excited after reading and my husband and I started it just over 4 months ago. I am just over half way to my goal. The dukan website advises me my ideal weight is 81.5kg and I have just dropped below 100kg. For the first two days on the attack phase I felt tired and very fatigued and this was my symptoms for carb withdrawal. I lost 5kg in the first week and have not looked back since. I regularly lose between 1-2kg a week. I haven't exercised and actually only started this week as I wanted to get rid of some of the excess before I started to tone. My husband has also lost nearly 20kgs and he is nearly down to his ideal weight and he looks great. We have got less strict by allowing ourselves one day off a month and all that happens is we don't lose weight that week but remain the same so that makes it okay for us.
We use the Macro organic Oat bran in the health foods section in Woolworths. Being able to eat as much as we wanted when we wanted of the allowed foods meant we were able to avoid cravings and the protein kept us fuller for longer. As an obese person it was important for me to see continued results and I truely believe that carbs are responsible for today's overweight society. If you sit down and count how often you eat carbs you wil be amazed to find that the chances are you are having them at every meal or snack. They are even added to alot of foods as sugar without you even realising it, even things like tomato paste have it.
I am a true believer that mixing carbs with protein and/or fats affect the way in which your body digests the food and I am noticing this greatly while on this diet. I have a natural thirst for water now and a much better enjoyment of the taste of foods. If I don't drink the required water I find that my body does not digest as well whereas I usually feel lighter in my step each day and feel myself getting lighter. We supplement with multi-vitamins until we get to the consolidation phase. I occassionally get a little tired of the same old foods but the results are too good for me to ignore so I will persevere.
Sorry for my first post being so longt winded but I wanted to let you know that this was a life changer for me. I also notice with my girls that they enjoy eating less carbs and feel full longer when they have a breakfast of mainly protein. When they have carb breakfast they seem to be hungry again in no time at all. Thank you

Belledragonfly

22-07-2011, 09:54 AM

love love love protein, going to give this one a go to kick start the low carb phase again for me:) Thanks for the posts snez, i haven't read all the way through, but would love to know your recipe tips for the first phase.:)

Sherrie

22-07-2011, 10:02 AM

Good luck Belle and Lucky :)

LCKK

27-08-2011, 04:50 PM

Hi Snez,

Great Post on Dukan Diet,

Are you following it and is this how you have achieved weightloss?

Is the oat bran, just normal stuff from coles/woollies?

I think this would be a great way to break carb addiction and get back mental control over the cravings.

All the best

LCKK

27-08-2011, 04:55 PM

Umm I didnt realise there was 12 pages in this thread, great!!:)

Unlimited veggies; do you think you could juice them and have them as fresh juices instead? nice

you get more nutrients this way.

LC_Dave

28-08-2011, 07:06 PM

[I]Extract from The Dukan Diet Book which I don't agree with:
Extract from book, p. 18
"Lipids (fats) are the absolute enemy of anyone trying to be slim as they represent, for every living species, the most concentrated form in which surplus energy is stored. Eating fat means you are eating an animal's fat reserves, which, in theory as in practice, stands every chance of increasing your weight."

Everyone, who has studied Low Carb science.... do you not find this statement from the book dumb?

Eating fat means you are eating an animal's fat reserves, which, in theory as in practice, stands every chance of increasing your weight."

This statement is pseudo science at it's worst!

melly845

29-08-2011, 07:07 PM

Everyone, who has studied Low Carb science.... do you not find this statement from the book dumb?

This statement is pseudo science at it's worst!

Agreed! As soon as I read that statement (on the first page of this thread) I immediately wrote off the Dukan Diet as a complete load of crap. Not that I was interested in changing diets, but I just could not follow a diet where the core principal is so obviously wrong and stupid.

I then went on to read that you are supposed to do 7-10 days of protein-only and my initial thoughts were even further reinforced. If people think Atkins is strict in the first two weeks I don't know how anyone can follow this. Most people have enough trouble with 3 days protein-only on BT, let alone 7-10 days!

LC_Dave

30-08-2011, 01:15 AM

I then went on to read that you are supposed to do 7-10 days of protein-only and my initial thoughts were even further reinforced. If people think Atkins is strict in the first two weeks I don't know how anyone can follow this. Most people have enough trouble with 3 days protein-only on BT, let alone 7-10 days!

Yeah two weeks is harsh. I assume it's lean protein as well. That's very similar to Kimkins.

Sherrie

30-08-2011, 07:10 AM

Yeah it does though kimkins was indefinite.

LCKK

14-09-2011, 08:22 PM

Hello all,

I have just finished reading the Dukan book and can absolutely say that the whole program cannot be summed up and dismissed as rubbish over one sentence. Those above perhaps should read the book fully before passing judgement. Surely Atkins or BT taken out of context can be dismissed also!

By the by... Dukan is working for me, it may have some unusual suggestions or a different approach. "Whatever floats your boat!!" would be good advise to the critics. Keep in mind this program has been written by a medical professional whom has developed the program over past 30years, unlike Kimkins. With respect to the length of the attack phase, see the website at very least, most attack phases are not longer than 5 days it depends on your individual starting point, mine for example was 3 days just like BT. It would be nice to find postive support on the dukan thread from others whom might be having some success with the program. Clearly misunderstood.

Snez

15-09-2011, 10:03 PM

LCKK, I do think the Dukan diet can work but I add some fat to the lean protein. Also, I limit the artificial sweeteners to the bare minimal. That is when I was doing the diet. I fell off it - not sure why probably got tired of it. But I have seen a lot of success stories.

LCKK

17-09-2011, 04:56 PM

Thank you Snez,

I have been following Dukan for about 3weeks and its going well. I also rarely add artificial sweetners, to me they seem unhealthy, although they are found in the FF yoghurt and of course zero calorie soft drinks.

I have hard time minimising fat to the extent recommended by the book, I find it unavoidable in some food pre situations, so I have as little as possible. Calorie King recommends 30g to 60g Fat for women a day, in the past I have found this a challange (mostly due to eating cheese), but following the dukan rules I think I am within target range.

Its easy to get bored with different approaches, I think once you have tried/learnt a few you can incoporate helpful eating habbits along the way from each. Take on board what works for you.

Thanks again for the support.

Snez

17-09-2011, 06:46 PM

Thank you Snez,
Its easy to get bored with different approaches, I think once you have tried/learnt a few you can incoporate helpful eating habbits along the way from each. Take on board what works for you.

Thanks again for the support.

I totally agree. Its doing what works for you!!

lizbuff

19-09-2011, 05:10 PM

Hi all,

I have been a stalker on this site for a while now and thought that now is the time to reveal myself, also I had something to add.

I am on the second week of the Dukan Diet. I only had a 2 day Attach as I have about 10kgs to lose, start weight of about 72kgs. I read the book and researched on the net before commencing the diet. I was a little sceptical due to the fact that you can include low fat dairy products and even felt a tad naughty when I ate them (love dairy) but alas, I have lost weight, consistently, even when including vegies. I feel fantastic! I am not a stickler when it comes to the fat side of things. With what I have researched the right kind of fats actually work with you not against you in the battle of the bulge, so I dont get hung up on eggs and cuts of meat.

I have lost over 2 kgs (yes, I am well aware of water loss) but my clothes feel looser, have lots of energy and skin even clearing up (reduction of sugar I think). I was looking for a diet that was straight forward, no counting calories and carbs and so far this is working for me.

Will keep you posted of my success.

Liz

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Queenvic

21-09-2011, 03:29 PM

Hi everyone, just found this diet and this thread. Please don't anyone get ticked off but I'm not doing this diet because I need to lose weight big time, I just want to get back to my pre pregnancy weight and in the past 4 years can't manage that with only exercise. I only have 4 kg to lose, to here goes. Dukan site said I need 3 days of attack, I'm a huge meat eater so I knew this was doable for me, first 24hrs at weighin I had lost 1.5kg, second day only .4kg third day only about .2kg, forth day I was unorganized with two little sick kids to look after so I had to make do with what veggies I had in the fridge, so only a few mushrooms and a bit of salad with my protien that day, more organized on day 5 so had a proper veg day, weigh in this morning and so far have lost 2.2kg, and I'm loving how my old clothes are fitting again, I have noticed my chunky legs are smoothing out and getting rid of all that gluten, starchy food and (a ridiculous amount) of sugar that was in my daily diet has had awesome effects on my body, I don't bloat anymore, or have digestion issues anymore, feel so much better!! My only issue is, the sweetener in the yogurts, I scanned all the flipping yogurts in iga, woolies and Coles and anything under 10g of carb per 100g had artificial sweetener, has anyone found one with a natural sweetener or no sweetener at all? Otherwise what is the closest gram content of carb you have to allow in order to pick a yogurt with these nasties???. Took me so long to scan them all, kids were almost tantrum in the aisle, not keen to redo that if anyone can answer my yogurt questions I'd be mighty grateful.

Sherrie

21-09-2011, 03:33 PM

Welcome Queenvic :)

Could you get plain Greek/natural yoghurt and flavour it yourself?

lizbuff

21-09-2011, 03:54 PM

Hi Queenvic,

Jalna no fat natural yogurt is about as good as you are going to get. Its pot set which is an added bonus as it keeps all that good bacteria in it. Paul's is a close second in regards nutritional value but not as tasty and isn't pot set. I sprinkle cinnamon and sweetener such as Stevie with the yogurt and it tastes wonderful! I am in WA so my knowledge is limited to what you get in the Eastern States.

Hope you are doing well and feel good. I still feel fantastic. Haven't weighed myself since Monday as I work on a mine site and have to wait until I am back home this weekend but I am feeling slimmer, no bloating. I really enjoy this way of eating. Fits in really well with my lifestyle, being a mine worker and not having time (or the inclination) to count carbs and all that.

Onwards and downwards :p

Queenvic

21-09-2011, 05:08 PM

Oh yeah I forgot about the greek and natural yogurt, as formally, I've only used them for cooking, I'll look for the jalna, sounds about as good as I can get, does it taste ok? I'm also in WA. I'm impressed that you are only able to periodically weigh yourself, it's the first thing I do everyday, I've lost everyday, even when I started veg, and I had the best tasting veg possible without going down starch avenue, roast pumpkin, baby carrots, beets, and I savored it!! Baked cookies today using a dukan recipe I found that I've tweaked, I'll blog if it's any good. Good work everyone!

lizbuff

21-09-2011, 05:51 PM

I hate the not knowing but it may be a blessing in disguise so I cant obsess about those numbers. I too was amazed when I lost 600gm after my first protein and vegie day too. Have to realise that there are going to be weeks where nothings happens, just got to think of this as a marathon and not a 100m sprint-this fat is going come off and stay off for good! Sounds like you will get there in no time at all-lucky duck.

Jalna tastes lovely, a thick creamy texture, if that's your sort of thing, feels and tastes like a decadent dessert:p

Wish I could experiment more in the kitchen but have to make do with what we get served at the mess. Bring my snacks onto site but will have to really hone in the willpower and discipline on those days where the sweets section is calling out my name:eek:

Queenvic

21-09-2011, 05:53 PM

Still on the subject of yogurt, I've found one called Tamarvalley it's a Greek style no added sugar, 98 percent f/f. 1.6g fat and 7.4g carb per 100g, it's ridiculously good! The forme has 5.5g carb, so would the Tamarvalley one be allowed? Sorry so many questions, still waiting on my book order. The Tamar ally has one sweetener in it as apposed to the two in forme, and it's got generous swirls of fruit puree through it, which is so strong in flavor I just mixed a tiny tub with a whole big tub of forme and it's totally addictive!!
Thanks for any guidance in advance

Queenvic

21-09-2011, 05:58 PM

I'll def try the jalna, if I'm allowed the Tamarvally it'll be awesome to mix together for flavor! You must be doing really well avoiding the sugar in the mess hall!! Well done! I must say, as a sugar and carb and red wine addict, keeping to this eating plan has been surprisingly easy, maybe my body has dealt with the cravings and given into my will!! :p

lizbuff

21-09-2011, 06:04 PM

Ask away, at work so the distraction very much welcomed.

The Tamar Valley seems ok. The rules with dairy are
1. No more than 2% fat
2. No added sugars (artificial sweetener ok).
There will be the naturally occuring sugars which will be the carb/sugar content but no added ones. I havent ventured with fruit in them, trying to keep it as simple as possible and when I have consistent losses will try the fruit flavoured and see how I fare. With you only having a small amount to lose I see no harm in experimenting, if you stall then perhaps stick with the natural ones and see if that makes a difference or not. It really is one of those things that what works for one may not work for another.

Queenvic

21-09-2011, 06:12 PM

Right then! Tamar it is! Probably mixed with the jalna for flavor and to dilute the sweetener that they add! I think that should be a very happy compromise!

lizbuff

21-09-2011, 06:16 PM

Yep-go the Tamar!
I'm trying to make this process as pain free as possible by preparing as many meals/snacks as possible and bring them with me avoid the mess and nosey people enquiring as to why I am eating this way. Everyone seems to want to put their 2 cents worth in. Either saying that low carb is bad for you (really? and where did you gain your expert opinion from?) or that I dont need to lose any weight and I am being vain/stupid/unrealistic/unhealthy etc etc whilst they are eating a highly processed meal e.g. white bread role with rice and curry with God-knows-what in it, bread and butter pudding and a glass of red cordial. Me, unhealthy? Hmmmm

I really find that eating a diet lower in carbs I dont get hungry, have cravings or the 3 o'clock energy crash. I really believe that white sugar is a drug, love how the doc's call it the 'white death'. Thats the real enemy for dieters.

Good luck and enjoy your yogurt:)

Queenvic

21-09-2011, 06:49 PM

I completely agree, dukan is a nutritionist by profession so I trust it is designed properly, besides that, even if it's lacking, I'm eating far better now than 2 weeks ago, I also don't suffer from hunger pains, 3 o clock sugar crashes etc, and I squeezed into some old cotton tight pants this morning, believe it or not theres a noticeable amount of room in them this afternoon, no lie! Cotton don't stretch! Besides all that, why not be vain? It's a good plan to want to look and feel good! And we are doing it by eating wholesome foods and retraining our bodies not to survive on processed crap! Yay for us, let's see what they look like after 30 years on a processed high sugar diet!! To avoid conversations that I just can't be bothered with, I tell people I have noticed adverse bodily reactions to eating white carbs and processed sugars so I'm cutting it out and feeling great! Oh and losing weight is just a little side bonus! And they say 'oh, good for you!'

Queenvic

21-09-2011, 07:05 PM

Got another question, I know it's in the distant future dreamland that is consolidation but where can we buy wholewheat bread, as I've read wholewheat and wholemeal are different things.?:confused:

lizbuff

23-09-2011, 01:52 PM

Oh, may have to go to a health food store or do some research to answer that question as I am stumped!

How you doing? I get to weigh myself tomorrow, should be ok, havent lapsed but my exercise regime (or lack of it) has a lot to be desired. Start a training plan next week so no excuses, get my lazy backside into the gym!

Queenvic

24-09-2011, 10:27 AM

Yeah I thought that, I have always chosen wholemeal over white bread, but today I looked at the ingredients and it said wheat flour, I wanted it to say wholewheat flour and not be confusing but alas, the world we live in! I'll research that and post my findings, is it a bit obvious I'm looking forward to the addition of a couple of slices of bread? Haha!!
I'm doing well, I'm in cruise, and I'm doing 1/1 pp then pv days alternately, which is nice because I'm used to pp days and get through them easily now, the veg seems like a treat, weird! I tend not to lose anything after a pv day, but then have a little weight loss burst after the pp day, it must be like every pp day is a new little shock to the body's system, so I can see how eventually, just having 1 pp day a week will be enough to keep the weight in check.
I have 800g to go! Hoping next weekend will be my first celebration meal. This diet is awesome!

LCKK

25-09-2011, 04:29 PM

Great conversation,

I would suggest burgeon bread as an alternative best choice. I like the soy and linseed, although I am not having this in my cruise phase. I usually buy yoplait forme no fat yoghurt. Congrats Queenvic, only 800g to go!

I am also following cruise1/1 cycle. I have been doing cruise for just over 3 weeks and lost 4.2 kg. I will be in cruise for another two months, hoping to achieve 1kg a week loss throughout. I have another 8kg to go.

Loving the Dukan diet. :D

Queenvic

26-09-2011, 09:15 AM

I bought some Bodis bread, seems to fit the bill, looks very healthy and comes in expensive little loaves but if it's that much better for you, I don't mind the expense. Weigh in yesterday was awesome! Not sure how but after a pp day lost 600g so was just about there with only 200g to go, then after a pv day got on scales and I'd put ON 1.1kg!!!! I always weigh myself at the same time first thing in the morning immediately after a wee, so I can't understand it!!! I'm so bummed coz I thought I'd probably be transitioning to consolidation today or tomorrow, but now I'm back here again. I don't think there's any reason I'd have retained water and I didn't eat anything salty yesterday, is there any reason for this.?:(

Sherrie

26-09-2011, 09:52 AM

does a pv day have more carbs then other days? when glucose is stored in the body it retains 3-4 times it's weight in water!

Queenvic

26-09-2011, 01:41 PM

I'm hoping it's a combination of several factors, yes veg does contain water that your body could hold onto, but I refrained from my usual salt rations so that shouldn't be a factor, the carbs in the veg could be a small factor, I had breakfast at a cafe, they probably cooked it in butter, I tried to sponge the residual oil off but I would have consumed some unfortunately, but the most probable cause is I think, being in the middle of a period, apparently your body retains lots of water during this time, I'll drink lots today, have my pp day and check it tomorrow, it's just the dramatic and sudden increase put my nose out!

soonsvelte

28-10-2011, 11:15 AM

Can someone tell me if using 1/4 cup of corn flour in a chilli beef stew is okay in the cruise phase?

Queenvic

28-10-2011, 12:00 PM

Hi, 2 tb of cornflour in cruise is considered your total daily intake of tolerated items. So it depends how long you intent to make the stew last, you can add 2 tb for each day but you can't have any other tolerateds in those days.

soonsvelte

28-10-2011, 12:05 PM

Thank you for the detailed clarification!

I make quite a bit of it to pop in the microwave for dinner when I get home. Easy and delicious!

Sherrie

28-10-2011, 12:36 PM

Just an FYI you can experiment with thickeners like xanthum gum or guar gum which are both low carb.

Patty

31-12-2011, 10:42 AM

Aha, found a thread I can relate to. Dukan worked for me and I have modified it a little too. The final phase allows you to introduce more carbs but it didn't feel right. I'm toying around with the right combination of pure protein and Protein + veg days. It can be 2 PP, 1 P+V. Allowing the odd pasta meal doesn't feel right either (I've been brainwashed for sure).
I feel the weakest link of the plan is stage 4. I prefer to stay at phase 2 for maintenance as it seems a lot easier.
When my body is crying out fot fats, I'll have peanut butter on celery, a blob of Miracle Whip on salad....or icecream.;)

fatbastard

31-12-2011, 06:11 PM

I've just bought Dr Dukan's book, my he has an obsession with menopausal women doesn't he? Just started reading it to get some ideas and more information as I formulate my own eating regime.

Patty

01-01-2012, 08:03 AM

I hadn't noticed really. It's a good read and adds to one's choices of eating plans. I learned a lot and also tailor made a plan to suit my lifestyle. That's what it's all about.

fatbastard

01-01-2012, 09:01 AM

It is a good read, and yes I am also going to adapt some of his ideas, even though he states, more than once, that you just can't pick and choose. :)

jess82

05-01-2012, 03:48 PM

fatbastard

05-01-2012, 05:59 PM

I'm on day 4 of the attack phase, into the cruise phase tomorrow with some vegies. No real problems, I drink lots of water anyway and the oat bran has been doing what it is supposed to :D I've dropped 4kg so far and am quite happy.

About a month a go I had a blood test, part of my biennial health regime, and everything was fine, I'll go back and have another one in a month or two and check and make sure that everything is still ok; I'll probably keep this every two months or so until I reach the stabilisation phase.

Patty

06-01-2012, 06:45 AM

I find Dukan a little to drastic for my liking mainly due to the intro phase. I suffered terribly on my first no carb day and feel it is best to phase yourself before going no carb complerely. Something I did find amusing was a NW road test of Dukan. It was said that Dukan was only good for the short term and could effect your health over the long term. Meanwhile there was also a road test of the macrobiotic diet. There was no critcism of that and it was said it was a good diet because it encourages wholegrain consumption and plenty of fruit and vegetables as well as fresh food. While I wont dispute vegetables and fresh foods are good and the beauty of low carb is that it encourages pure eating and often more vegie consumption in the place of carbs, wholegrains and fruit should be limited. I remember when I started my training program I was told that part of the cause of my thicker waist on an otherwise slim body was a product of eating 3-4 pieces of fruit a day (now I eat a piece for morning tea and 2tbsp at breakfast) on a no carb day so I find it amusing that low carb is criticised while vegetarian grain based diets are not
I found it easy to quit fruit and preferred the pure protein days. Once I started adding a few slices of wholemeal bread and fruit in Stabilisation I had a devil of a time maintaining.In the end I reverted to more pp days than p and veg each week.
I think the change to LCHF will be easy after following Dukan for over a year...just ditch the cottage cheese, slim milk , low fat yoghurt and oat bran and replace with cream, greek style yoghurt and above ground vegies.

Good weight loss fatbastard....you're on a roll now.

fatbastard

07-02-2012, 06:33 PM

Just popping back in - 10 kg down, 4 or 5 to go. Well entrenched in the cruise and finding it quite easy, even managed to go out for dinner with no problems. Walking at least 30 minutes a day and actually enjoying it! Should be at my target weight ahead of schedule even though it is taking longer to lose each kg now. I've also had to buy some new clothes :-)

Analog6

08-02-2012, 04:04 AM

Good for you. Isn't that 'have to buy new clothes' a good feeling!

fatbastard

14-03-2012, 09:53 AM

Just about to launch into the consolidation phase here - 15 kg off and happy, about 1 kg below what was suggested as my target weight. Will do a protein Thursday tomorrow and then that is cruise over :)

Chelles

14-05-2012, 02:48 PM

Starting again.... Day 1 nearly done... havent weighed will try to remember to tomorrow :)