The Tony Ferguson Diet - Tony Ferguson Weightloss Program

**LC_Dave** · 05-09-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sherrie

haha if you go to their forum, and then to the question to staff section on the 3rd page someone asks if you are allowed oral s** and they said NO!!! *laugh*

ROFLMAO

I can't find the nutritional info yet, if anyone can please share here!

So when should definately not do the TF diet?

**LC_Dave** · 05-09-2006, 02:41 PM

The trouble with diets that are depending on calories lower than maintenance levels, and on packaged products is that they create a dependency mindset.

It's all great that they have wonderful support and products yadda yadda, but how does everyone fair in the long term?

Do they actually track people long term, or once everyone leaves the program, they haven't a clue?

Did you know that their maintenance program is $10 to visit a nutiritionist where they will write up a low cal low fat maintenance plan?

**Sherrie** · 05-09-2006, 02:55 PM

Dave personally I think its a joke, especially if you have to maintain on low calories. If you can tell me an example of their calorie intake in maintenance that would be great!

To me thats not a true low carb lifestyle, its just a typical low fat starvation diet that just happens to put you into ketosis. Even though the ketosis will help with appetite its still going to stress your body too much and likely make you sick in the end as well as wrecking your metabolism. Eventually my body couldn't handle doing 1500-1600 calories a day with lots of exercise on LC after a while so I would hate to see what that would do to me.

I'm not against counting calories because I know there is a positive side to it in regards to knowing what you eat and being able to tweak etc but calorie deficits like that is just nuts IMO

If you did it for a short (and I mean short) time you might get away with it but how many people do these for a short time?

Not only that after all the money they charge why do they have to charge again when you hit goal? Can't they just provide a good step by step guide to help people gradually add foods in for free?

But then I guess they don't want you to succeed with maintenance do they?

**Alies** · 05-09-2006, 10:03 PM

Guess who?!?

Just wanted to say that my niece rang me the other day and told me she has started this diet. I'm quite distressed that she said she was following my lead and doing a low-carb diet. Ummm...NOT! She was feeling quite unwell and had actually thrown up.

I sent her an email after I looked at their website saying I understand why she is confused about them excluding pumpkin from the veggies, but allowing pumpkin soup.

I included the two week lo-carb challenge I sent her mother (my sister - who never bothered to try and still has major health problems), but I'm not holding my breath.

**Sherrie** · 06-09-2006, 07:30 AM

OMG your alive!!!

How old is your neice?

**Alies** · 06-09-2006, 10:59 AM

My niece is 26 years young and getting married next February. She tried that Betalife diet a couple of years ago and ended up in hospital having her gall bladder removed. Now she's doing this Tony Ferguson - the last thing I need is to be blamed for her deteriorating health because she says she's following my lead and doing low-carb (which isn't)

**Sherrie** · 06-09-2006, 11:06 AM

Send her your old atkins book!

**Analog6** · 07-09-2006, 09:06 AM

Yes, I looked at this, as it toputs itself as low carb. It is both low carb and low fat, and you are getting allthose junky ingredients in their shakes (which are NOT cheap - soups and shakes $2.90 EACH! or 4 weeks supply at $162.40. Atkins is much cheaper and better for you.
I make my own shakes (usually vanilla or choc flavour thus -
1 tablespoon whey protein concentrate, 1/4 cup unsweetened cocoa (omit for vanilla), a few drops of vanilla essence, 2 tablespoons cream, (I sometimes add 2 tablespoons yoghurt) and 250 ml water. Blend all the ingredients except the water in a mixing jug with a spoon until it makes a paste. Add the water, beat well and drink. Cost about 70 cents. If you like fruit (eg blueberries, strawberries) you can mash some up in a food processor and add.

**Sherrie** · 07-09-2006, 10:27 AM

Yeah I bought this huge bucket of WPC once very cheap when I first started and used that for my shakes all the time untill I got realy strict and barely put a dent in it, ended up getting chucked!

I used to just check mine in a shaker with some splenda, vanilla, water, cream, flax oil, chopped strawberries and sometimes a scoop of LC ice cream and give it a good shake and drink. It was good with strawberry chunks, was like a nice suprise.

**Snez** · 07-09-2006, 01:24 PM

Its too expensive and its not real food. People will lose weight on it but what happens when they stop - they'll just start eating the same way they used to - the same way that caused their weight gain in the first place.

**Analog6** · 07-09-2006, 01:52 PM

That's for sure, snez, and it the problem with so many 'diet plans' - there is no plan for after the dieters run out of money or motivation!

**LC_Dave** · 25-09-2006, 02:07 PM

Teh biggest issue I have, is not the low calories, or the low fat, or that you pay to join up..... it's the reliance on these 'shakes' and the fact that they are a manufactured product.

But they do give each other support - which is great.

But as you guys have said - it's not real food.

**Miestar** · 26-09-2006, 09:28 AM

You don't have to pay to join actually - you can order the stuff over the net - I've had a little look at it - if you say your a newby then you have to order a book for $10 or so but if you say your not then you can just buy the shakes or soups and fibre or vitamins etc. Obviously you also have to pay a delivery charge as well.

There are a few people on a forum I goto - its not a lowcarb one or anything just an anything and everything one and they are having a few successes - but alot are still cheating having carbs as I don't think they understand fully about Low Carbing even thought its combined with the shakes.

**Alies** · 26-09-2006, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Miestar

but alot are still cheating having carbs as I don't think they understand fully about Low Carbing even thought its combined with the shakes.

That's EXACTLY right because my niece said to me over the phone,

"I'm allowed to have a palm-size piece of meat with a potato or rice and some carbs."

I told her potato and rice are the WORST carbs! She's better off filling her plate with green veggies.

**Sherrie** · 26-09-2006, 10:07 AM

I can guarantee you they are cheating because their calories are WAY too low!

This is no different to say doing a soup diet and other actual 'extreme' diets (which atkins is not!) because they are soo low calorie. This is what people have been doing for years and just end up fatter and fatter as a result because they are yo yo'ing.

Of course some may do well and even find a balance on their own so they can maintain it for the rests of their lives but the problem is that the majority do not because they do not learn how to eat long term, they do not fix their issues that got them fat in the first place etc and because they dieted so severly they have totally wrecked their metabolisms, losing a bunch of important muscle mass in the process resulting in even more weight gain and weight thats harder to shift.

Even in Atkins some people yoyo because they just think of it as a temporary fix but not only that they do it extremely and use the satiating effect to get away with eating stuff all fat and calories which in the long term catches up with them.

Dare I say it but Atkins induction isn't for everyone either BUT we all can learn something from Atkins/low carb in regards to health and weight loss and we can all benefit from one of the stages of atkins and we can learn how to make it a life style!

One of the things I hate the most out of all diets is extremely low calorie ketogenic diets, thats just plain nuts in my opinion and thats exactly what TF is.