Kimkins Diet

[Moonie]

the one in the red dress looks like one of those glamour shots...doesn't look like her at all.

[DOINGIT]

now I could be a bitch...... could be ....could be
but I will shut up ..... yes definately I will shut up!

[Snez]

Bron - be a bitch!!

Do you think the pic of her seated and in the red dress are of the same person? She looks so different! Moonie is not convinced.

[DOINGIT]

One is a blow up doll!!

[Sherrie]

Doesn't look like she had ever been obese, such youthfully plump skin and doesn't look like shes in her 40s. Would love to know her secret!

[Snez]

Oh yes, wouldn't we all!

[Essie]

Doesn't look like the same person to me.

If it is, she's certainly had some work, just look closely at her eyes. Although she is a hell of a lot skinnier in the red dress, but could be photoshopped. Ooohhh bitch, bitch, bitch ....

[Sherrie]

I am pretty sure I read her mention she did get some things done for loose skin etc...

[LC_Dave]

I also found it incredible how different her pisture looks.

Maybe it's the angles? The new one is her leaning forward.

I don't know, to me it looks like two different people.

[Sherrie]

I was reading this page, THE PHYSIOLOGY OF WEIGHT CHANGE that had been sitting in my tabs for god knows how long and came to this section which I thought was interesting and related to this thread. We hear about it all the time but its good to see it laid out like this. Not sure about the comment about it not applying to men or maybe thats related more to the regaining of muscle lost, maybe most men regain it better due to hormones and thats why he says that?

PHYSIOLOGICAL PHENOMENA OPPOSING WEIGHT REDUCTION

As we saw, if the energy intake is permanently reduced, body weight also reduces until it produces en energy expenditure equal to the intake, and the size of the reduction is inversely proportional to the consumption of the weight loss, which in turn depends on its composition that is determined by the starting weight. As already mentioned, a drastic diet, either in absolute terms (less than 1,200 Cal/day) or in relative (more than 500 Calories less than the starting TEE), causes the loss of a weight containing a percentage of lean body mass greater than what would be physiological for that definite starting weight. This phenomenon, which was proved in fertile women, while the clinical experience and the results of our studies suggest that it does not occur in postmenopausal women or in men, has two types of negative consequences. On one side, starting from the same body weight, since the weight loss consumes more, for a definite cumulative reduction of energy intake less weight is lost, even if in shorter time, than what would be if the weight loss composition was the physiological one. On the other side, with the weight attained being the same, since more lean than due was lost, body weight contains less lean and more fat, and then it consumes less. This means that to maintain any weight after a drastic diet one has to eat less than another person who has lost the same weight with the physiological composition, or a person with equal body weight who never lost weight. But the worst aspect of this phenomenon is that the alteration of body composition that it causes is permanent. In fact, in the case of weight regain after a drastic diet, the composition of the weight regain is the one physiological for the starting weight. Thus, less lean and more fat are regained in comparison with what was lost, and consequently also the maintenance of a weight equal to that prior to the diet entails an energy intake smaller than that before dieting. And, since the alternative is to go back to the previous energy intake stabilizing at a higher weight than that before dieting, it is easily understood how a series of such ups and downs (which is defined as "weight cycling") may lead to a progressive weight gain progressively more difficult to control. Many young women with no genetic predisposition to obesity, misled by mass media and not protected by specialized surveillance, vainly pursue unrealistic beauty ideals and eventually condemn themselves to become obese or to stay on a diet all their life.

Will have to look into it more and see whats out there to back it up.

[LC_Dave]

Yes this is what I've always been lead to believe, and to a certain extent I have experienced this.

[Essie]

Think I will have to have a read over the next few days ... and try to compute ...

[Sherrie]

Yes this is what I've always been lead to believe, and to a certain extent I have experienced this.

Muscle loss or muscle regain?

It is easier for men to lose muscle not only that severe calorie levels severly restrict testosterone which is important for building muscle.

If men do regain muscle easier in that the body composition changes is not permenant like it appears to be for women (according to this article), I wonder how easy that is especially if their testosterone levels are at an all time low?

What if their calories remain low?

Another question is, are all men the same? There are plenty of men who put on weight and muscle in a female pattern (ie thighs and no chest!), how do these men go?

[KatieP]

... eventually condemn themselves to become obese or to stay on a diet all their life.

Yip - that's me. I have seriously lost my way. Eating crap, feeling crap, getting fatter by the second. I am sure it is just PMT talking but I am so over this whole eating/exercise thing.

I skipped my carb up last weekend which might have something to do with it. It seems easier to diet all week when you know you can have whatever you want on the weekend. Instead, I've been having treats all week which may be less than what I would eat on a carb up day but doesn't compute in the same way.

Blah blah ... get over it ... if it was easy everyone would be thin ... yeah I know

[LC_Dave]

Muscle loss or muscle regain?

It is easier for men to lose muscle not only that severe calorie levels severly restrict testosterone which is important for building muscle.

If men do regain muscle easier in that the body composition changes is not permenant like it appears to be for women (according to this article), I wonder how easy that is especially if their testosterone levels are at an all time low?

What if their calories remain low?

Another question is, are all men the same? There are plenty of men who put on weight and muscle in a female pattern (ie thighs and no chest!), how do these men go?

Muscle loss.

Part of me becoming supersized was a rebound off a 'successful' run a Weight Watchers.