Kimkins Diet

[Snez]

Has anyone tried kimkins:
wwwDOTkimkinsDOTcom (replace the word dot with a .)
It is low carb, low cal and low fat. For people who are stalling and for fast weight loss.

[Miestar]

Have had a look at the site awhile ago...don't you have to pay to register and then "Kimmers" helps you. She lost alot really quickly from what I remember, sounded too good to be true.

[Sherrie]

Yes it costs $$$ I had thing on it from before it went to a $$$ plan, I'll see if I can find it.

Its very low calorie

[Sherrie]

Still looking for the particular one I'm after but heres the fitday example of what she ate that she gives people: Kimkims fitday

Basically it is about doing very strict atkins (atkins dandr 92 I think) but with limited protein (70-90g per day) and as little fat as you can handle.

It is to achieve fast weight loss like any other crash diet but without the hunger ALA ketosis, like Tony Ferguson but true low carb and no meal replacement shakes.

I know its low carb BUT what are most peoples complaints of in the past...
For example, how many overweight people are still overweight and turning to low carb because they keep regaining the weight they lost doing assorted low fat crash diets (eg soup diet, protein shake diets, egg diet yada yada) and basically yo yoing all their life. Where has that left their metabolisms now?

Which leads me to... how is this any different?

[DOINGIT]

Which leads me to... how is this any different?

It Ain't I don't think. We all know there is NO QUICK FIX. It has to be a doable thing that will become a wol cause otherwise we are juts fooling outselves. LC on induction kind of falls into this but it is only for 2 weeks and then you revert to very healthy eating... no hunger and positive results that will take time but will happen. Then you can maintain if you are sensible and don't say EVERY day oh this is just a treat. All those treats got us where we don't want to be. Not to say no treats ever but be sensible.
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[Sherrie]

I'm still trying to find the particular post I am after, its on the low carb friends board. There is heaps of info on it there but this particular post had heaps of info. Anyway while looking I see a post in 2004 of what she eats to maintain her loss:

I still eat the same as when I was losing, except I add more carbs from veggies and fruit. I can now eat 2-3 pieces a day. But, I keep my fats low due to calories. I still avoid "white" ... sugar, rice, potatoes, bread, pasta. On occasion, I do have a baked potato w/butter but the calories of the butter mean I have to keep my carbs lower for the day. It's a balancing act, but it works for me.

My total daily carbs now are 45-75 depending. I still use butter, olive oil, bacon fat for eggs ... just smaller amounts (calories).

I haven't a clue for calories because I don't use Fitday anymore, but I would guess 1100-1500? I'm sedentary and that's my calorie limit ... although if I were doing low fat high carb (Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig type), I'd have to stay below 1100 for life.

Now I used to eat alot of food on 1500 calories with lots of fat so I am thinking shes maintaining at a pretty low level. Mind you this post was in 2004

[Sherrie]

This isn't the one I wanted but it is extensive.

Personally I think it is not a good idea. I was reading in a thread where one person commented that she (kimmer) has a thyroid condition then another comment followed saying that yes she does but it is not from doing Kimkins

Then I read her story on the link above (scroll down) where she states she has been doing stillmans etc off and on since she was sixteen years old, and other advice by her on water fasting.

Well it certainly makes one wonder...

Like Tony Ferguson my biggest problem with this is the contradiction/hypocrisy. Low carber's will bash assorted low fat crash diets yet promote this as some big revolution because it is "low carb"

Well half these crash diets probably weren't that much different and probably put you in just as good a level of ketosis as they do... so whats the difference...

[DOINGIT]

Exactly....

[Snez]

Losing the weight is easy to some degree but I think the hard part is the maintaining.
Some of the success stories on Kimkins are really quite good. What's the site - viva la low carb or something has a few stories on his site re kimkins.
http://wwwDOTkimkinsDOTcom/content/blogsection/5/30/

[Sherrie]

Sue sorry for being so skeptical but I suspect the reason a lot of the stories are on Jimmy's blog are because they are paid advertising.

On the subject of the success stories, I am looking at them now and they just seem to be focused on the short term weightloss. Lets keep this in perspective here in that on a diet like this that revolves around big numbers and fast weight loss, it would have to be VERY EASY to get success stories over the short term. From what I can tell people are flocking there to her like a magnet and we all know why, with all those people doing it she would want to have some success stories. The amount of followers she had on the low carb friends forum is unreal.

To me I see it as a very clever business plan, she would have to be making some good doula.

Just remember if you do it, keep it as short as possible, don't exercise heavy , if you find yourself in a place where no matter how little you eat you do not lose, get fatigue, lose strength, massive cravings and your truely not cheating etc STOP, don't go back to eating junk just slowly start eating more food and fat.

Make sure you work on your eating habits as well and when you finish it keep working on them and weigh yourself frequently so you can keep your new weight in check but expect to regain some just from added nutrition, fluid etc. The frequent weighing is very important IMO

[Snez]

I'm skeptical too. Just wanted to see what the fuss was all about.

[DOINGIT]

ANYTHING that promisses FAST w/l is not going to be healthy IMO.
It is life style changes that one needs to make and to learn. Otherwise it i a yo yo syndrom and not healthy.

[LC_Dave]

Sherrie, I agree with your concerns,

I am actually a member of her site. I paid to join last year.

Why? Curiosity. I buy so many books etc, I wanted to know what it's all about.

The money is actually to be a member of the site. That's it. Similar to this site. I have no issues with that, becaus ethese boards cost money.

What I did note from reading most of the posts that there are only a few experienced low carbers there. The rest are new to low carb.

It is unfortunately catering to the 'worst' behaviour of dieters - teh quick fix.

As you guys might know, I made a conscious decision to give up 'quick fixes' years ago!

There have been times in the last six months where I have been tempted to do a quick fix. I tried Kimkins for half a day and couldn't stand the hunger.

It's not for me.

[Sherrie]

Yeah I am still reading up on her old posts etc and really don't have a very good opinion.

The way I see it, she looks great now as far as we know, thats great! BUT straight from the horses mouth she has been doing extreme 'quick fix' diets since she was 16, first one being stillmans and she has been water fasting since 20 (first fast being for 45 days!). She has bad thyroid problems and there was a couple of other things that I have read today/yesterday that ain't coming to me right now. But despite all this she has battled obesity all her life and at the very least was very obese just a few years ago...

I hope now she continues to maintain and leads a healthy life but in my opinion as far as quick fix dieting goes she is NOT a success story. Going by one of her posts where she talks about some tests she has had dome she is at the very least 47 years old, thats a long time being obese and crash dieting/fasting I really hope her influence is a good one and doesn't lead many people down the same path as hers.

Yeah websites cost money but for $40 US, it would have to be one massive forum using up massive amounts of bandwidth!

Of course theres her time and her advertising costs but still she would have to have a pretty good profit margin

[Snez]

A lot of the new members are not very cluey about low carb. Also, I'm concerned that they cut out a lot of fat. I think this will stuff up their hormones. Its better to cut back on the protein if experiencing a stall, but not to under-eat protein.
From her posts Kimmer seems very nice. A lot of the ladies I think have put her up on a pedestal. Its almost like they see her as some kind of guru.
In one of her posts she mentioned something about losing muscle mass that is not required. I can't remember the exact words - when you lose weight you also lose muscle mass that your body doesn't need anymore because you are not carting around as much weight. That didn't sound right to me? She likened it to body-builders that stop training and their muscles shrink. But its different when a body-builder's muscle shrinks to actually losing or catabolism of muscle? What do you think Sherrie?