And Labor aren't making cut backs?

You know I had always been a Labor voter until last year but seriously our Labor Government suck, Greens suck, I am unsure of Liberals as I don't like everything about them but the one thing they are consistent with is keeping us out of debt. The worst bit about Labor is, they waste so much money that goes nowhere. Take their Super Gp thingy magigies, the one in Elizabeth for example has a very expensive brand new digital xray room installed yet no staff!!! It has been sitting there all year collecting dust because our government won't provide staff to staff it, so much potential, but all gone to waste!

both are probably as bad as each other
i just cant abide someone who delights in putting other people down and badmouthing them
to me tony abbott has a special talent for that

See to me I see the same crap from all parties, Labor , Greens and Liberals, I don't think Abbott is special here at all.

I haven't read anything back about bringing in work choices so you'd have to point me to it. I would have assumed that they wouldn't due to both that and the war loosing them government. I don't remember a great deal about it as I haven't thought any more of it since and admittedly what I knew about it was only what I read from Getup and yes I signed the petitions against it etc based on what they said. Personally, I have no personal experience with it, I believe workers should have rights and entitlements which should be protected and employers should have some protections too, there's horror stories on either side.

When Garry went through those problems at his old work place when they were discriminating him over his depression, that was during work choices and they still weren't able to dismiss him as he still had rights so I can't say it ever personally effected us so I only know what I read.

I have read arguments on that it hasn't really changed much under Labor, but I don't know how true that is. I do know that Ryan has regularly worked for 2 employers this year part time after school and one of them would pay him close to half the hourly rate on a Sunday then the other would and they're both retail so it doesn't really sound like his "minimum wage" entitlements are all that protected.

Anyway, I'm all for rights so I won't argue that. But, at the end of the day if everything goes to shit because we are under a government that cannot manage the taxpayers money and the economy, then there will be no jobs anyway!

At least the Libs know how to manage the economy (they get us out of the massive debt that Labor racks up every time they are in power). Labor is so gone at the next election, nobody is going to forget Julia Gillard's blatant lie about the carbon tax and the fact that it is being brought in when it shouldn't be. It will increase everyone's cost of living and do absolutely nothing for the environment. Labor even admits in their own pro-carbon tax ad campaign that companies will pass the costs onto consumers. So by that logic they are admitting that companies won't bother to find green alternatives, they will just pass the costs on to consumers (which we all knew would happen anyway).

But they gave everyone a chance to vote on the GST during the next election before they implemented it, there is a difference. The GST also took away other taxes that were much higher, there were also tax breaks that we were meant to receive that were due to start when Labor were elected but Labor scrapped them. Your first article that you linked, you were damning Abbott for the Liberals deciding to make some changes with the safety net that the Liberals implemented because they recognised that it was blowing out past what they previously forecast, but you also fail to mention that the article also stated that Labor wanted to abolish the safety net. I think I know what I would prefer...

Regardless, the one thing I have learnt by watching both the Federal government and my state government in SA is that love them or hate them the Liberals don't put us into massive debt. We may whine that the Liberals sold this or that, or made this or that cut back but we fail to consider, that these are a result of having to bring us back out of the debt that they just inherited from Labor....

Perhaps, if Labor didn't perform as badly as they appear to do in my lifetime at least, then perhaps the Liberals would never have to make the cuts that they do... At least, when the Labor party enter the government after Liberals, they have the privilege of inheriting a surplus... yet they still *&$#^ it all up every time. It is unfair to always harshly judge the Liberals without taking into consideration that they are inheriting a massive debt which has to be paid off from some where.

Here we are about to get a bogus tax so Labor can try and pay off their debts... it will be interesting if they waste that too!


I have mixed feelings about work choices at the same token I can understand where the intentions were coming from, as it stands we are currently not that attractive on a business level, everything is sent off shore, what happens when we run out of resources, what happens to our economy then? We already have China selling our steel back to us from China. What little manufacturing we have left will soon become more expensive. The government claims the carbon mumbo jumbo will encourage work through research and manufacturing of renewables such as Solar, then why has Origin just announced it's giving it's government grant back and moving it's solar research and manufacturing to the US because it's too expensive here? The US which has already said no to ETS. Why isn't this giving them incentive to hang around?

I can tell you the China solar industry is booming, that's where most of our panels are coming from now, I doubt very much we will be able to compete with their cheap labor. Whether the Liberals will handle this right either I don't know, but at least they have a proven track record when it comes to balancing the books.

It seems, we are just making everyone else rich and not ourselves.

I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to end up where America is right now.

Very well said Sherrie, I agree with you 100%!

Interesting topic

From my very simple prospective; Labour & Liberals were always 2 opposing political parties that had different directions.

Labour was always the spenders, they supported the working class and were socialistic.

Liberals always stood for the business side of things and were good at not spending money and creating a surplus. But through doing that the infrastructure suffered.

Then labour would get back in and start spending money again.

Rinse and repeat.

Now these days it's totally different. You've got the Liberals talking about the poor working class and how we can't afford to live. They have totally lost direction.

Then you've got labour and I'm not sure anymore what they stand for.
The two major parties seem to have blended and lost direction.

It's always trying to pick the lessor of two evils. In the end I vote for what the economy needs and what I need.

Just my 2 cents

Liberals were polling poorly prior to Abbott taking leadership to stop the ETS/ carbon tax going through and it was this fact that has bought them up in the polls as people whom were against it, finally had someone to vote for. If the Labor party didn't do that timely change in Leadership with their female atheist which gave a temporary swing in Labors favour, Abbott would be leader right now. Heck she barely scrapped through as it is and that was after giving most people the impression she wasn't going to put in a carbon tax which imo she always was.

There is an old saying - VERY old - that a people get the Government they deserve.

WHAT HAVE WE DONE??!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Um NZ ETS is $12.50 (less if you convert it to AUD). Our Carbon tax will start at I think it was $23.50 and get higher each year and then will change to ETS which is significantly higher again. Shouldn't this be in the global warming thread?

So he and his mates were young and stupid 40 years ago? That's too long ago to judge, Gilliard has done stupid things too such as having an affair with a married man, I'm sure women wouldn't like that either!

Labor really suck at running this country right now, I'm not going to vote for them again!

IMO you would be a minority that think that but each to our own, all I can say is I disagree very much so