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    • Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      Hi I would be grateful for some advice.

      I am trying to lose 3 kilos. I am still within my ideal weight, but I'm at the higher end of the scale. The doctor advised 3 kilo weight loss would be ideal.

      I read the Atkins diet book and followed his methodoligies. I skipped the induction phase as per my doctor's advice. I have epilepsy, and too few carbs and fluctuating blood sugars cause seizures for me.

      I have cut down on my sugar consumption, stopped eating bread, potatoes and white rice and flour. I have also substituted high carb foods for low carb foods, and avoiding sugary foods where possible.

      I am eating more protein and have cut my carb consumption to between 50 and 100 g a day. I walk home from work every day (30 mins) but that's the only exercise I can deal with. My anticonvulsant medication makes me really tired and lethargic. If I do more strenuous exercise, I burn out within 20 minutes. I also drink about a litre of water per day.

      I am very disappointed because I have not lost any weight. Can you suggest what I might be doing wrong?

      With thanks and regards

      Vanessa.
    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      The only thing I can clearly see 'wrong' in what you've listed, is that you're not drinking enough water.

      Two to three litres a day is the ideal.

      To get a better idea of your progress, and how to advise, it'd be useful if you could post a food diary for a few days. There may be things obvious to us that you're overlooking.

      Sometimes, it can also take a while for your body to adjust, especially given you didn't go through detox/induction, and you're not cutting your carbs to the very low level of most low carb diets.

      It could also be partly your medication. Maybe your doctor could advise you there.

      Don't give up! :)
    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      Ok thanks Morte. I even gave up my beloved vegemite on toast for this low carb stuff! Now I'm starting to wonder whether it's worth it.

      Here's a snapshot of food:

      Breakfast: Small sachet of oats with skim milk. (I don't have time to cook during the week cos I have to rush off to work every day.
      Snack: Small orange and small tin of tuna.
      Lunch: Varies, I usually choose a small veggie dish and avoid noodles and rice. Sometimes I have a salad roll because other dishes are pasta or rice based.
      Dinner: Examples are steak and veggies, fish and veggies, roast dinner once a week with low carb gravy, beef stroganoff, slow cooked chicken dishes with spices and veggies.

      Beverages: 2 cups of tea per day with skim milk and sugar substitute, approx 1 litre of water a day. A little bit of diet coke at lunch time (a 600ml bottle diet coke lasts me 3 days).

      Other: Once a month I succumb to intense sugar cravings and buy myself an ice cream or a small bar of chocolate. Sometimes I eat almonds, pine nuts and Atkins chocolate bars.

      I don't drink any alcohol, and I quit smoking 12 weeks ago too. I have been slowly gaining weight before I quit smoking by the way, and thankfully my weight gain after quitting has been pretty small.

      Hope this helps!

      Thanks again, Vanessa.
    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      Breakfast: Small sachet of oats with skim milk. (I don't have time to cook during the week cos I have to rush off to work every day.

      This is all carbs, no protein, no fat ... also, those sachets generally contain additives/sugars you don't need. If you want oats, have plain rolled oats cooked in water, with some cream instead of skim milk, and some protein with them ... stirring in protein powder can be good for that. Or, make mini quiches in muffin tins, and freeze them individually, and thaw one to have with your cup of tea in the morning.


      Snack: Small orange and small tin of tuna.

      Tuna is good, orange less so. Try strawberries. Oranges have about 8g carb/100g, Strawberries have under 3g/100g. Not much, but every little bit :)

      Lunch: Varies, I usually choose a small veggie dish and avoid noodles and rice. Sometimes I have a salad roll because other dishes are pasta or rice based.

      Honestly, the roll in the salad roll is as bad as the pasta or rice. Bread has 40-60g/100g carbs, rice has about 35g/100g. Try stir fried veggies without a sugary sauce, or a salad with a good olive oil dressing.


      Dinner: Examples are steak and veggies, fish and veggies, roast dinner once a week with low carb gravy, beef stroganoff, slow cooked chicken dishes with spices and veggies.

      They all sound good.


      Beverages: 2 cups of tea per day with skim milk and sugar substitute, approx 1 litre of water a day. A little bit of diet coke at lunch time (a 600ml bottle diet coke lasts me 3 days).

      More water, definitely. Diet coke occasionally won't hurt you. Neither will tea/coffee. The milk you put in tea/coffee is more the issue, so go sparingly.


      Other: Once a month I succumb to intense sugar cravings and buy myself an ice cream or a small bar of chocolate. Sometimes I eat almonds, pine nuts and Atkins chocolate bars.

      Almonds are good. Pine nuts are ok. If it's only occasionally, a sweet treat is ok. Are you doing general low carb? Or something like Bodytrim? Bodytrim is low carb, and allows for a 'cheat day' once a week.

      I hope some of that helps.

      Good luck.
    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      Hi Morte thanks again for that info. Breakfast is the hardest thing when doing low carb - I will have to try and find something else for breakfast.

      I don't eat oats because I enjoy them, I eat them because I thought they had fewer carbs than my vegemite on toast. It seems that everywhere I look, each carb counter is different, so it's confusing. For example, the nutritional info on the wholemeal bread says 30 carbs, and my carb counter says it's higher so carb counting is difficult, as I don't know which to believe.

      My sister went on body trim and lost a lot of weight, but again, they force you to do this 3 day 'detox' thing that the doctor specifically told me not to do.

      I will try the things you suggested and see how it goes. I will give it a few more weeks. If it doesn't work, then I'll give the low carb thing the boot and try something else.
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      Your carb counter is probably American and therefor not very accurate, please always defer to the food label (if Australian) or NUTTAB 2010 which is the Australian & NZ Food Standards database that all product labels in Australia use.

      American databases include fibre in their carb counts whilst we do not plus they also don't measure carbohydrates in food directly choosing rather to use the difference method so that everything leftover after say fat, protein etc are measured, is chucked into their carbohydrate count.

      Curious, have you tried the ketogenic diet for your epilepsy before? is that how you know too little is a problem?
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    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      your diet seems to have a foot in each camp

      for eaxmple low fat milk has about 12 g carbs whereas cream in your coffee is zero carbs

      breakfast difficult? can you perhaps hard boil some eggs the night before and have a cold hard boiled egg for breakfast? with low carb mayo?

      there is no guarantee that low carb is for you. we are all a little different and some ppl do better on high carb diets.

      the only thing you should do if you want to give low carb a go is stop having a foot in each camp

      good luck
    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      Sherrie wrote:

      Your carb counter is probably American and therefor not very accurate, please always defer to the food label (if Australian) or NUTTAB 2010 which is the Australian & NZ Food Standards database that all product labels in Australia use.

      American databases include fibre in their carb counts whilst we do not plus they also don't measure carbohydrates in food directly choosing rather to use the difference method so that everything leftover after say fat, protein etc are measured, is chucked into their carbohydrate count.

      Curious, have you tried the ketogenic diet for your epilepsy before? is that how you know too little is a problem?


      Hiya Sherrie, thanks for your input.

      I haven't tried ketogenic before. I've read stuff about it, but apparently in most cases it doesn't work. I tried to do the induction phase of Atkins (20 carbs or less), however, my blood sugars went too low which resulted in seizures. I don't have diabetes (or even pre-diabetes).

      I didn't know about the American carb counters. I'll go strictly by Aussie food labels from now on. Now that this new info has come to hand, I'll press on for a few weeks longer and see how it goes.

      Cheers.
    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      initforlove5 wrote:

      your diet seems to have a foot in each camp

      for eaxmple low fat milk has about 12 g carbs whereas cream in your coffee is zero carbs

      breakfast difficult? can you perhaps hard boil some eggs the night before and have a cold hard boiled egg for breakfast? with low carb mayo?

      there is no guarantee that low carb is for you. we are all a little different and some ppl do better on high carb diets.

      the only thing you should do if you want to give low carb a go is stop having a foot in each camp

      good luck


      Thanks - if I ditch the milk and find an alternative breakfast, then I mibht be all right
    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      The reason I ask is because ketogenic diets are very well known to help treat epilepsy, they use it in very difficult to treat children whom don't respond to medication. Not only that, the ketogenic diets they use for epilepsy are much lower in carbohydrates then Atkins and very high in fat.

      If you have a GP and a specialist and it was your GP that gave you the advice I would ask your specialist about it. Perhaps it's just a matter of your medication dosage or something like that (I am just guessing here!). It's like diabetics or even just people on blood pressure medication, they often have to lower their dosage when dropping their carbs. Perhaps it could be similar thing for you, I have no idea but might be something worth researching and talking to your Dr about.
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    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      Sherrie wrote:

      The reason I ask is because ketogenic diets are very well known to help treat epilepsy, they use it in very difficult to treat children whom don't respond to medication. Not only that, the ketogenic diets they use for epilepsy are much lower in carbohydrates then Atkins and very high in fat.

      If you have a GP and a specialist and it was your GP that gave you the advice I would ask your specialist about it. Perhaps it's just a matter of your medication dosage or something like that (I am just guessing here!). It's like diabetics or even just people on blood pressure medication, they often have to lower their dosage when dropping their carbs. Perhaps it could be similar thing for you, I have no idea but might be something worth researching and talking to your Dr about.


      Hiya Sherrie

      I did read quite a bit of stuff about ketogenic diets. Some say it works, yet others say the success rate is very low. I've also heard that it's very strict and difficult to stick to. That is another reason why I'm trying low carb - to see if it helps with seizure control. I have eased myself into low carb, when I abruptly cut off the supply, my body protested with seizures, so I have to do it slower than your average Joe Bloggs. My medication is not supposed to affect weight - but just about anything is possible with those medications! hahah
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      I didn't mean in regards to them effecting your weight but more wondering if your dosage need changes when you drop the carbs low. Anticonvulsant medication can effect blood sugar levels, low carb also effects them (obviously). Another theory I have is that when you go into ketosis due to the mild diuretic effect some medications may become more concentrated (just a theory of mine). I'm not a doctor!

      I did a quick search and found one link with reference to a study where they did look into it and found that plasma levels of anticonvulsant medications didn't change significantly during a ketogenic diet but what's insignificant for one may not be for another. I am sick atm with a flu or very bad cold so my head is mushy atm so I left it there. But anyway I'm just thinking out loud :)

      I probably wouldn't have a bread roll as it is a sudden shot of high GI carbs and will cause a spike in your blood sugars. Always remember, what goes up must come down, so the bigger the surge, the bigger the fall. Also don't try to do it low fat as the fat will help lower the GI of whatever carbs you do eat.
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    • Re: Low carb for 6 weeks and no change.

      Sherrie wrote:

      I didn't mean in regards to them effecting your weight but more wondering if your dosage need changes when you drop the carbs low. Anticonvulsant medication can effect blood sugar levels, low carb also effects them (obviously). Another theory I have is that when you go into ketosis due to the mild diuretic effect some medications may become more concentrated (just a theory of mine). I'm not a doctor!

      I did a quick search and found one link with reference to a study where they did look into it and found that plasma levels of anticonvulsant medications didn't change significantly during a ketogenic diet but what's insignificant for one may not be for another. I am sick atm with a flu or very bad cold so my head is mushy atm so I left it there. But anyway I'm just thinking out loud :)

      I probably wouldn't have a bread roll as it is a sudden shot of high GI carbs and will cause a spike in your blood sugars. Always remember, what goes up must come down, so the bigger the surge, the bigger the fall. Also don't try to do it low fat as the fat will help lower the GI of whatever carbs you do eat.


      Oh yeah I see what you mean. You are probably right, this anticonvulsant (Keppra) makes me pee like a racehorse, I'm always racing off to the loo in the middle of the night - regardless of how much water I've had during the day, so yes that could indicate that it's mucking around with my blood sugars. I am on the tiniest dose possible, so I can't lower it unfortunately.